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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652807
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I would not shoot her. We are protecting three piebalds that have been on the farm a couple years.


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Originally Posted By: WildlifeBiologist
I would not shoot her. We are protecting three piebalds that have been on the farm a couple years.

What is your purpose for protecting a piebald in your heard?
Although they are unique and to me absolutely beautiful, this trait is genetic and causes other problems. Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities, dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population.

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Clem] #1652898
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Originally Posted By: Clem

So you guys who won't shoot a piebald, if this was a mature buck of 4.5 years old or older with the same or worse coloration-coat mutation but also with a gnarly rack you looked at and went "Whew, that's bad." ... you'd let it walk?



yes, I'd let it walk..everytime...period. Even if it had 160 inches of antler on its head.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Stikman] #1652901
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Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: WildlifeBiologist
I would not shoot her. We are protecting three piebalds that have been on the farm a couple years.

What is your purpose for protecting a piebald in your heard?
Although they are unique and to me absolutely beautiful, this trait is genetic and causes other problems. Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities, dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population.


so one can LOOK at them. They are NOT hurting anything. Period. One does not HAVE to kill everything....


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: BhamFred] #1652928
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: WildlifeBiologist
I would not shoot her. We are protecting three piebalds that have been on the farm a couple years.

What is your purpose for protecting a piebald in your heard?
Although they are unique and to me absolutely beautiful, this trait is genetic and causes other problems. Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities, dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population.


so one can LOOK at them. They are NOT hurting anything. Period. One does not HAVE to kill everything....

Nothing is wrong with them?
Is that why 90% of all piebald are still born?
The reason I asked this is because he goes by and apparently considers himself a WildlifeBiologist

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Stikman] #1652932
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Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: WildlifeBiologist
I would not shoot her. We are protecting three piebalds that have been on the farm a couple years.

What is your purpose for protecting a piebald in your heard?
Although they are unique and to me absolutely beautiful, this trait is genetic and causes other problems. Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities, dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population.


Ever seen a pie-bald where we hunt?

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652946
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I'd shoot a hairless albino black panther if it had 160 inches of antlers on its head.


Then I could look at it every day.

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652951
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to me personally, an albino or piebald is too beautiful and rare just to kill it, I'd rather look at it.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: BhamFred] #1653025
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
to me personally, an albino or piebald is too beautiful and rare just to kill it, I'd rather look at it.


I would too....on my wall. Little buck will get the pass but if he's 4.5 or mature doe....it's dead.

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I think this is another case of to each his own. A lot of hunters have the mentality of "everyone needs to think and hunt like me". If you kill or don't kill that piebald won't matter one lick to the future of deer hunting in this state.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: bamaeyedoc] #1653080
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Originally Posted By: bamaeyedoc
Originally Posted By: Stikman
Originally Posted By: WildlifeBiologist
I would not shoot her. We are protecting three piebalds that have been on the farm a couple years.

What is your purpose for protecting a piebald in your heard?
Although they are unique and to me absolutely beautiful, this trait is genetic and causes other problems. Unlike true albinos, piebald deer have brown eyes and black hooves. The piebald condition is frequently associated with other harmful physical conditions, including skeletal deformities, dorsal bowing of the nose, short/deformed legs, curved spine, short lower mandible, and internal organ deformities. Piebald deer are rare, typically occurring at less than one percent of the population.


Ever seen a pie-bald where we hunt?

Dr. B

Yes!!
There were a few killed around turkey plot on over to Wells area about 7 years ago and saw a spike last year with white up one leg and on its hindquarters behind Dees

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: BhamFred] #1653114
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
to me personally, an albino or piebald is too beautiful and rare just to kill it, I'd rather look at it.


Piebald and albinos are totally different. Piebald is a genetic mutation were other abnormalities also occur. Albinism is a complete lack of pigment with no evidence of abnormal growth occurring although many lack the eyesight of a normal deer. Unlike piebald deer, these deer are normal except for lacking the gene(s) for color. True albinos have pink eyes and white hooves whereas white deer are just that a "white deer" having normal eyes, nose, and hooves.

Also Dr B quite a few years back along the big creek to our south we kill 1 buck that didn't have any white whatsoever! His underside looked like a normal brown coat and the rest of the coat was almost black! I'll look through my albums and find the old Polaroid picture.

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No I would not shoot.

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Stikman] #1653133
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His underside looked like a normal brown coat and the rest of the coat was almost black!


Melanistic "black" deer, similarly uncommon like an albino or piebald.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Clem] #1653160
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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His underside looked like a normal brown coat and the rest of the coat was almost black!


Melanistic "black" deer, similarly uncommon like an albino or piebald.


Yep and very very rare

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1653190
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I'd kill the shucks out of it and make another rug like the one I already have with far less white on it than that one.


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I'd shoot and do a full body mount

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Originally Posted By: CNC
Please explain why or why not.. smile




If I'm meat hunting, and she's alone or the largest of the alternatives, then yes I shoot. She won't taste any different with the white spots.


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I don't see anything that could ever be gained by shooting an animal like that unless you planned on preserving its uniqueness from now on with some kind of rug or full body mount. I still wouldn't be able to pull the trigger though. No way

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