So let me see if I get this right. Tags would keep honest people honest, but will not keep the dishonest people from illegally killing more deer. So, I think I am catching on, if we can't make the dishonest people honest, then the only solution is to make the honest people honest, right? But wait a minute, does that solve the problem since the honest people aren't the problem? Well, they aren't the problem until more rules and regulations are heaped on them and hoops to jump through to see if they can still meet our subjective ever changing view of how to keep honest people honest so that addressing the problem of dishonest people killing deer illegally never has to be addressed. But we can always threaten the honest people with more regulations and rules or face a penalty because daggumit you just can't trust those honest people. Does that just about sum it up? However, it does sound just like what government seems the be the absolute best at, creating non-existent problems to fix and not having to deal with the real problem. [/quote]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying when Joe Blow shoots his 7th buck of the year (also the 7th buck he's seen this year) and runs into a check point with it in the back of his truck, and doesn't have a tag he gets his ass busted. We need major fines and loss of hunting privileges.

With the current system, when he kills his 3 bucks, he can print off a new harvest record and start all over. [/quote]

Why can't the state develop software that won't allow you to reprint a clean harvest record? In other words, if you reprint your harvest record, it will reflect your previous kills that were recorded earlier.

Right now it's just a .pdf on outdoor Alabama website. You can print off as many as you want

For what you're talking about they would probably have to mail you something with a stamp or something that can't be recreated... Back to why tags make sense to me

I agree with you that the solution is slowing down the doe harvest, and I think most of us understand that. The problem is not everyone does and some do but just don't care. On so many other animals and fish we have a bag limit to make sure they don't get wiped out or hit too hard, and to make sure that it is an enjoyable pastime. We don't have an enforceable system for deer. Under the current system the good game wardens have their hands tied. Tags would be a visual tool to help them. Once someone tags out, there is no way for them to squirm out a nice fine when they get pulled over with another deer in their truck.
For those of us who care about the deer heard what is it really going to hurt to have to tie a tag on a deer's ear?

Plus, maybe if they are busy checkin peoples tags out in the gas stations and stuff they will leave our corn piles and feeders alone haha jk.

If the process included having to enter a state run site and enter you license number to print your tags ..... problem solved!
Lifetime license holders, enter your number. ... print out tags
Kids under age 16 require parents license number followed by an additional alphabetical letter(A,B,C).... print out tags according to state law senior citizens don't have to have a license as long as they had a license the year they qualified, enter that last year license number into the system. ...print tags. Very simple cost effective way of tagging and recording harvest.
Here's the thing, regardless if you want a tagging sy6or not we are all going to have one. But the way the system works now is a joke and why put forth the effort if cheating the system means hitting print on a PDF file. Its not rocket science but if it makes your neighbors think before they pull the trigger it's worth it. We will never be able to fix stupid. The 16-25 year old outlaws will learn the hard way. And maybe a few out of state hunters that give the rest of them a bad name will go elsewhere to feed their entire trailer park!!!
Honest law abiding hunters will carry on just like before and wardens will have a way to actually enforce the laws better. I'm sure a software developer can do what needs to be done for a reasonable fee, the only question is what the idiots in the state house come up with. Will they break history with a common sense approach? Or will every Tom Dick and Harry have his hand in the jar and cost every day people like you and I more money every year.

Glad to know that not wanting or needing additional governmental intrusion and being individually responsible equals not caring about the deer "heard"! Thanks for clearing that up! Now are you consulting with Bernie or Hildabeast for those types of talking points?

Because putting a tag on a dead animal is so intrusive. They will probably have predator drones following you to make sure you tag it and if you don't they are gonna send in the navy seals to take you out. Because that's what they do in every other state that has tags right?

I wonder if you are just as against speed limits, red lights, and other traffic laws?

If you want to bring politics into it, how about ol Teddy Roosevelt? He was a big hunter but also cared about conservation of wildlife and taking steps to ensure it. You can thank him for still haveing some awesome parks and wildlife areas left, instead of skyscrapers. But I bet you think he was just an idiot liberal too huh?

Valleydawg, you do realize that we don't enforce voter ID laws in the US most places, because getting in a car and driving to the courthouse is TOO ONEROUS a burden on citizens.

Nuff said.

Any chance that's the Austin place in Bullock County. In 1999 I was told by the lessee that 2K acres (Austin Place) leased for $28/acre. Doesn't seem to far fetched that it goes for $35/ acre now.

Hunting has been a rich man sport for the last 20 years and it is only getting worse!

Hmm, let's see. Tagging a dead deer, is safety involved? No.
Driving at speeds higher than other traffic, is safety involved? Yes.
Tagging a dead deer, is safety involved? No.
Driving through an intersection, is safety involved? Yes.
Driving at speeds higher than other traffic, is safety involved? Yes.

I think you see where I am going with your extremely poor choice for an example.

Yes, good old Teddy was a fine conservationist, hunter and BIG government guy.

So you want to be able to make someone who might have accidentally forgotten his or her (don't want to be sexist and leave anybody out) tag and killed a deer that is taking the deer to the processor so the meat does not spoil instead of leaving the deer where it lays and driving 4 hours round trip back home on a very possible 70 or 80 degree day in Alabama a criminal because the GW saw them with a deer in the back of their truck? What is wrong with the DCNR setting minimum rules and regulations for the conservation of the resources (you can research for yourself the reason for the establishment of the DCNR) and the individual imposing on themselves greater restriction if that is what they want? Or, is it that so would rather have the government TELL/FORCE/MANDATE everybody else what how when, where, and why because they are incapable of thinking and doing for themselves?

Feel free to create your own tag and tag every deer that you want if that will make you feel like that will help, see no impact on me and apparently no imposition to you. Issue solved!

Hmm, let's see. Tagging a dead deer, is safety involved? No.
Driving at speeds higher than other traffic, is safety involved? Yes.
Tagging a dead deer, is safety involved? No.
Driving through an intersection, is safety involved? Yes.
Driving at speeds higher than other traffic, is safety involved? Yes.

I think you see where I am going with your extremely poor choice for an example.

Yes, good old Teddy was a fine conservationist, hunter and BIG government guy.

So you want to be able to make someone who might have accidentally forgotten his or her (don't want to be sexist and leave anybody out) tag and killed a deer that is taking the deer to the processor so the meat does not spoil instead of leaving the deer where it lays and driving 4 hours round trip back home on a very possible 70 or 80 degree day in Alabama a criminal because the GW saw them with a deer in the back of their truck? What is wrong with the DCNR setting minimum rules and regulations for the conservation of the resources (you can research for yourself the reason for the establishment of the DCNR) and the individual imposing on themselves greater restriction if that is what they want? Or, is it that so would rather have the government TELL/FORCE/MANDATE everybody else what how when, where, and why because they are incapable of thinking and doing for themselves?

Feel free to create your own tag and tag every deer that you want if that will make you feel like that will help, see no impact on me and apparently no imposition to you. Issue solved! [/quote]

First off, If a person leaves their license/ harvest record at home now under today's law they would legally have to go get it before putting the deer in their truck or face fines when they get pulled over. So that argument is kind of silly. That rule applies now without tags. Tags are usually attached to license/ harvest record. So if you have your license with you , you have your tags.

So you want the DCNR to establish the regs? I am for that but tell me, isn't the DCNR a government agency with the chair and board put in place by the Governor? So basically the government is already setting limits now and telling you what to do (i.e. the 3 buck limit). Tags would just help the warden enforce the legal limit. You are missing that point. The rules ALREADY exist but are near impossible to enforce.

Also since you are busy crying big government, I bet you didn't mind when the government had to step in and restock Alabama's deer popultaion several times from 1930-1970. That's right, the GOVERNMENT restocked the deer that you now get to enjoy while telling them to mind their own business. Dang Government.

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First off, If a person leaves their license/ harvest record at home now under today's law they would legally have to go get it before putting the deer in their truck or face fines when they get pulled over. So that argument is kind of silly. That rule applies now without tags. Tags are usually attached to license/ harvest record. So if you have your license with you , you have your tags.

Im pretty sure you get a ticket if you don't have your license or harvest record with you while in the stand. And secondly how would you propose use that have life time licenses to get these tags. As states above if we cant control the outlaws from killing deer illegal now a tag system will not help.

The mail? The Internet?

You present your lifetime license at any store where licenses are sold and they give you, your harvest record/tags. Or call in and present your number and tags will be mailed to you.

To your second point. I am not naive enough to think it will stop all outlaws. But there is a large number of guys that wouldnt take that extra deer or fifty if they knew the wardens were looking for tags. Right now there is no risk of getting caught once you go over the limit because you can print however many copies you want. With a tag system, once you use all your tags, if you have a deer in your truck you are running a BIG risk of getting caught. Can't stop them all but does that mean we shouldn't try?

It's only difficult to the people trying really hard to make it difficult

The main thing I've learned is that I will have to go back to school to get an advanced degree and hire a hunting assistant and secretary to handle "all" of the extra requirements for tags.

You are right that is what is in place today and yes I am not in favor of the "by Jimmy, you even as much as roll that deer over without filling out the mandated piece of paper or, you will be fined" mentality. I do it because that is what is forced on the individuals of the State. So, yes I am a good fine honest citizen that appears to be kept honest by the State. And yes the same applies today if the sacred piece of paper is forgotten, which still begs the point what will the tagging system do again? How does it make it any more enforceable over the current system? How is either system going to be enforceable for those that live on the land that they hunt and they don't do or will do either and aren't required to buy a hunting license and that break the law anyway. Oh yeah, it does not have an effect on the guy killing deer illegally anyway. How does that help again exactly??

I believe one could say without stretching for a connection that restocking would fall under the conservation of the resource part of the DCNR duties. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that making sure all bucks that get killed have to be over 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, ..... years old is not exactly a biological requirement for conservation.

So would you want to make it illegal for those of us who clean our deer on the property? Because if you don't then those folks would most likely get away with it because not all game wardens set at processing places to check harvest records.

Yes, if you clean the deer in place you would "get away with it".

It's not about "getting away with it", it's about a system to keep people honest

I understand that but my point is if those that are already dishonest are not going to change just because tags are implemented. A dishonest person will always find a way to buck the system so why make everyone else pay. Its the same thing as gun control in my eyes.

Yep, gotta keep honest people honest! While on the other hand, dishonest people it will not impact. The perfect reason!