I know a good place that ain't too hilly.

Make no mistake if they take a bird or two off our limit, there are never going to give them back. I don't care what the population does.

It won't make a lick of difference. If a man has enough birds to hunt and wants to kill 26 in one season, he can and will kill 26 in one season as long as he doesn't get caught. Our limit is 5 now but there are some folks out there who kill twice that many because they can. I'm not real sure how the DCNR is going to throw that into their equation. They couldn't get the mandatory deer harvest reporting to go through and I'll go out on a limb and say that a mandatory turkey harvest report will turn out exactly the same.

I have friends in Missouri that would tell you their hunting has definitely declined the last few years despite claims to the contrary.

Perhaps Missouri should go to a 1 bird limit and 7-day season. Reduction seems to work like a champ.

I can't resist. I have to comment. This entire thread from the very beginning is full of misinformation.

PCP, to begin with, the information you wish to see regarding who kills what, where, and how many "should" be included in the 2015 Turkey Committee report Full Fans & Sharp Spurs. It's not that anyone is trying to hide the info. Timing of the release of that information is important because of what people have the potential to do with it.

Now, gobbler, as to second hand info from the CAB meeting. One reason I decided to refrain from this place is because of the misinformation that is shared here. I have always tried to help set things right, but even that bites me in the butt most times. I know this isn't your fault, but the message I received about the information that was shared at the CAB meeting was Chuck trying to inform the public of the many things the Turkey Committee has been engaged in. One of those is the model I have already shared, where different season lengths/season timing/bag limits were used to predict the change in total population and gobbler density over time. He simply shared this information to keep hunters informed, and somebody apparently ran out the door screaming that the state was changing the bag limits. I could be misinformed on this issue myself, but that is what I have heard was the case. As for the people on here saying I had information about this beforehand and lied, well you're flat out wrong, and you are the very reasons that no body with any credibility from the state wants to waste their time arguing with the ignorance and stupidity that occurs here. Calling state biologist liars, uneducated, and not fit to perform their jobs is plain ignorant, and you know nothing of what you speak(not directing that at you Gobbler). Our staff is full of qualified applied field biologist with a collective hundreds of years of experience, and backed by solid sound research from southeastern universities that dates back to the very beginnings of wildlife management. The Turkey Committee may very well come out and make a recommendation to do something at some point, including a bag change. I can guarantee you it will not be a decision made without very much forethought, science, and data to back it up.

Now on to the information that I posted in an earlier thread about the percentages of turkeys killed in 4 and 5 bird bags....well I screwed up. Simple as that. I was given two data sets, one with correct and one with incorrect numbers. I accidently got them mixed up, found the error, and had Nighthunter correct it.

Do not expect me to participate in this nonsense any more than what I just posted. I have better things to do, but I wanted to clarify a few things before this got as out of hand as the previous thread.

If, according to PCP, it is not available to the public then that's wholly different from shielding it at a specific time so certain people can't do something with it. One is playing political/biological football. The other is not giving information to the public at all. PCP said he was told it wasn't available to anyone.

Who has this turkey report and when will the political/biological football game be over so the public can see it?

"Full Fans and Sharp Spurs" is available in PDF format on our website. It may be easier to Google it. From my phone it is tough to link.

http://www.outdooralabama.com/sites/default/files/FullFansAndSharpSpurs2014Final.pdf

Here is the 2014 version. I don't see a 2015, but I could be overlooking it.

I searched through that document, and did not see any information about the number or percentage of hunters killing a limit, or how reducing the limit would affect overall harvest numbers assuming everyone followed the law.

Clem, it probably wasn't available at the time of his asking because no one had taken the time to sort it out. It takes time to evaluate results from surveys.

It ain't a political ball game.

I'm going back to navigate the airways in my black apache now. Don't look up.

The 2015 addition is not out yet. It wasn't in 2014 because the numbers had not been evaluated. I don't know if it's even in the 2015 addition. I said they "should" be as I was informed it probably would be.

Be sure to drop some rattlesnakes for us from your black 'copter.

They give live birth.

Oh wait. I'm just a biologist. I don't know what they do. Do they lay eggs? I'm sure the postman knows.

Eggs or live birth. Depends on the moon phase and the timing of the rut in some counties.


Y'all need to come on back and stick around. Not everyone's mean and ignernt and pissy all the time. But, whatevs.

As to PCP's requested info, I can't speak to it but I can find nowhere in the publication where it says how many people kill a limit a year! Must be missing it.

Since yesterday, it is not secondhand info any more, I'll just say that. It is also definitely not misinformation. I found out what went on and what was presented. The CAB is now considering and will be looking at a limit reduction and season length change for their next meeting. That's the facts

#QuailLivesMustNotMatter

Ok so please understand the CAB can make decisions with or without our input. Those are facts too.

^^^ Definitely true. Has been done before, will unfortunately be done again.

This is the most frustrating part and Im sure it frustrates you more than it does me. From what I understand you and other biologist spend countless days and hours collecting and pouring over data as a part of a turkey committee. Only to have a group of people make season and bag limit changes without any input from the biologist our state employs. Glad your back.

Gobbler, I'm sure if it is something they are considering they will consult the Turkey Committee for our comment, and hopefully some data we could provide. I'm sure that will happen before any decisions are made. The Turkey Committee itself did not provide that recommendation at the meeting. Guess that's why I got so defensive. It all rolls down hill to the guys in uniform. It's very frustrating.