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Joined: Dec 2002
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Mildly Quirky
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Thanks, Matt. I knew you'd have facts despite your age and his years of hunting.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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I would hope most people would have enough common sense to know if the deer herd on their hunting property can stand a doe harvest. In our club we took of our biggest tracts this and had no does allowed on it, just based on common sense observations. On the broad scale it doesn't work that way especially in north AL. I really wish it did. Landowners/hunters don't cooperate with each other enough in this state. If they did things might be different.
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It is sad to see the people dropping does off at the processor and telling them to feed the hungry.dont get me wrong I think if it was that simple,it would be a good thing.but time after time it,s always the same people,doing this.it looks like most of them just want to see how many deer they can kill.and the program feeding the hungry which I thought was amazing thing to do. But if the hungry don't have 75 to 100$ to get the deer out ,we'll our local processor sells the meat to the general public. Heck I can remember when you used to have a deer processed for 30.00$ now days it can be anywhere from 75$ to 200$ depending on how you want it.
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I pulled my cameras today, and it is absolutely depressing seeing the lack of does. It is impossible to count on ''hunters '', if that's what we have in Alabama, to control their urge to kill.
Matt, I don't know you, but you are the only biologist I have ever seen type a message and not recycle the biologist creed of '' you need to kill more does ''.
There are days I hope the deer population totally, completely bottoms the ______ out in Alabama. I'd hate if for the people that have tried to make it better, but I would love to sit back and watch the armchair quarterbacks and good ole country boys that want to kill something to supposedly feed their family SUFFER, with not having anything to kill for the sake of killing.
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Dang clem my numbers matched Matt.
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Matt, I don't know you, but you are the only biologist I have ever seen type a message and not recycle the biologist creed of '' you need to kill more does ''.
You shouldn't hear that much anymore. I know I only have a handful of clubs I deal with that really need to kill "more" does. They are out there though.
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I never under stood why restock and then open up doe season and kill them all. Thanks Matt I new the numbers was very bad. Hope they try and restock and manage the heard better. I now it will take along time.
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Y Montgot and Clem, the highest harvest rates on Black Warrior came in the early to mid 2000s. Harvest reached just over 200 deer in '06-07. It has fallen since then, and this year's data has been quite disturbing. The trend had fallen each year I was there, and I took the opportunity to decrease antlerless opportunity my FIRST season there. I got to looking at historical data leading up to the time I began employment, and I immediately saw a problem. I justified it to Montgomery and we began reducing antlerless opportunity. I made it more restrictive each year I was there, until this past season when only one doe day was allowed on Zone B and 4 on Zone A. Harvest this past season was terrible. It has dropped to numbers that are equal to the early 1990s when several hundred deer were restocked from south Alabama. Great information!
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Perhaps the state should have a draw for tags and hunting spots on public land like out west.
That way only a very small number of hunters could legally hunt deer on the WMAs, and they'd wait every four or five seasons. Put in for the draw, get a preference point if not drawn, sit on your hands for four or five years to get a chance to kill that big ol' 8-point and then wait another four or five for another chance.
Good lord can you imagine how much club dues would go up if they did that?
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I would love to be a fly on the wall and listen to Matt, NightHunter, Troy, etc. sit around and talk deer management and hunting strategies. Probably wouldn't take long to figure that mess out without all the whining and crying about how "the gov't is taking away my rights. I can't hunt like I want to".
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I would hope most people would have enough common sense to know if the deer herd on their hunting property can stand a doe harvest. In our club we took of our biggest tracts this and had no does allowed on it, just based on common sense observations. On the broad scale it doesn't work that way especially in north AL. I really wish it did. Landowners/hunters don't cooperate with each other enough in this state. If they did things might be different. Tell me if I'm wrong on this theory... Your better deer hunting is in counties with lower overall populations of people and within that a higher percentage of blacks who don't deer hunt for various reasons. Typically those counties have larger tracts of land and various tracts are private and are in clubs. A lot money put into management for the weekend warriors, and some well run clubs. etc. In the rest of the state dominated more by populations of whites (mostly trash) on smaller tracts of land, well.... everyone hunts on their 40 acres and blasts deer. So the hunting isn't as good IMO. Not because there aren't deer there, but because Billy Bob's next to you is shooting 20 deer and when he runs out of freezer space and excuses he's feeding 1/2 his church to justify the continual slaughter. You get into North of Birmingham Alabama and East Alabama that's more of what you see. As opposed to west and South Alabama. I've about decided after hunting all over this state for 40 years that's my observation.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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How does this affect a buck growing bigger antlers,by extending deer season by 10 days.the bucks were I hunt don't even lose there antlers until at least march. because I'm still getting picture,s of big bucks. Actually more bucks now than I had during all hunting season.they say a buck normally grows his anders at a rate of an 1/2 inch a day.i read that in a very detailed book about whitetais.I guess it could vary some to if your feeding minerals and deer pellets with high protein.
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