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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: Cactus_buck]
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04/12/16 02:56 AM
04/12/16 02:56 AM
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jbc
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Bill,
My kids daycare has the following classes: infants, crawlers, toddlers, 2 year olds, 3 year olds, 4 year olds. They don't ask which one you feel like you are, you clearly fit in one, or you don't.
The notion that they would allow some idiot to join because he "identifies" as a 4 year old is no different than expecting to be allowed to go sleep in a kennel at the vet clinic because he thinks he's a Labrador retriever
I get what you're trying to do with your analogy, you're just taking it to such an extreme that it loses its relevance
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: jbc]
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04/12/16 03:20 AM
04/12/16 03:20 AM
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bill
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Bill,
My kids daycare has the following classes: infants, crawlers, toddlers, 2 year olds, 3 year olds, 4 year olds. They don't ask which one you feel like you are, you clearly fit in one, or you don't.
The notion that they would allow some idiot to join because he "identifies" as a 4 year old is no different than expecting to be allowed to go sleep in a kennel at the vet clinic because he thinks he's a Labrador retriever
I get what you're trying to do with your analogy, you're just taking it to such an extreme that it loses its relevance Again, who gets to decide? You thought my example so ridiculous that it wasn't based on any real life scenario. My analogy isn't as far fetched as you think. Normal today isn't what was normal 30 years ago and the way boundaries are being pushed, what is abnormal today will be normal in the not so distant future. It will be called discrimination just as refusing to let a man use a woman's bathroom is being called discrimination, today.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: Geno]
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04/12/16 03:26 AM
04/12/16 03:26 AM
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Mobile, AL
SouthBamaSlayer
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No, I don't think either of your extreme cases should happen
I believe magazines can post any ad or not post any af they want,
I also think you realize no daycare is taking any 50 year old man. Extreme? Who decides that? You can choose your gender but not any other life options? Your discrimination argument, for private business, falls apart under closer observation. A 50 year old enrolling in my child's daycare is an extreme scenario. I just decided it. But a man choosing to be a woman isn't? My business, my rules. I decide who I serve or don't serve. That will lead to discrimination for some but that's part of being a free society. I can tell you that in my business I won't provide services to other business that are in direct contrast to my beliefs. That doesn't mean I won't provide services to a gay person but I wouldn't provide services to an abortion facility or a chapel that performed same sex marriages. Just as you decided what was acceptable, in.your mind, business owners should have that same luxury. Exactly the same as the department stores refusing to admit people of color. Sorry Geno but that is not even close. Skin color is not a choice unlike sexual preference..... When (at what age) did you choose to like girls? Identical twin studies show that you aren't born "gay." If it was genetics, all identical twins would have the same sexual preference, and they don't.
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: bill]
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04/12/16 03:35 AM
04/12/16 03:35 AM
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So that I'm able to get a clearer picture of what you consider extreme, and grounds for discrimination, are there any lifestyles that I would have grounds to refuse service to?
Should the daycare be forced to accommodate the 50 year old that identified as a 6 year old girl? Before you dismiss that as ridiculous, think about how ridiculous choosing a gender identity seemed to society just 30 years ago.
Give me an example of qualified discrimination, in your opinion, if you believe there is such a thing.
Bill is not wrong on this 30 year reference, at all. Even now, the faculty members at the University of Vermont and University of New Hampshire, have been instructed not to address students with a gender specific title, such as Mr. or Miss. There are discrimination law suits filed now because students want the flexibility to change those titles from time to time depending on the situation and how it suits them.
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: Cactus_buck]
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04/12/16 03:36 AM
04/12/16 03:36 AM
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Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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OK. this may be very important in this argument. As of a few years ago when I taught on this subject at Faulkner, sexual orientation was NOT a protected class under Federal law. It is in some states, Alabama not being among them. Being black DOES put you in a protected class under Federal law.
So basically this couldn't happen in Alabama.
These people suing the bakeries are doing so under state laws apparently unless the Federal statute has changed and I didn't hear about it.
Is this correct Judge or Doekiller? If the Federal law changed and it got past me then never mind, my post is moot.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: bill]
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04/12/16 03:43 AM
04/12/16 03:43 AM
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bill
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No, I don't think either of your extreme cases should happen
I believe magazines can post any ad or not post any af they want,
I also think you realize no daycare is taking any 50 year old man. Extreme? Who decides that? You can choose your gender but not any other life options? Your discrimination argument, for private business, falls apart under closer observation. A 50 year old enrolling in my child's daycare is an extreme scenario. I just decided it. But a man choosing to be a woman isn't? My business, my rules. I decide who I serve or don't serve. That will lead to discrimination for some but that's part of being a free society. I can tell you that in my business I won't provide services to other business that are in direct contrast to my beliefs. That doesn't mean I won't provide services to a gay person but I wouldn't provide services to an abortion facility or a chapel that performed same sex marriages. Just as you decided what was acceptable, in.your mind, business owners should have that same luxury. Exactly the same as the department stores refusing to admit people of color. So that I'm able to get a clearer picture of what you consider extreme, and grounds for discrimination, are there any lifestyles that I would have grounds to refuse service to? Should the daycare be forced to accommodate the 50 year old that identified as a 6 year old girl? Before you dismiss that as ridiculous, think about how ridiculous choosing a gender identity seemed to society just 30 years ago. Give me an example of qualified discrimination, in your opinion, if you believe there is such a thing. Geno, I see you are participating in other threads but you appear to have abandoned this one. Do you have an answer to my question?
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: bill]
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04/12/16 04:05 AM
04/12/16 04:05 AM
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No, I don't think either of your extreme cases should happen
I believe magazines can post any ad or not post any af they want,
I also think you realize no daycare is taking any 50 year old man. Extreme? Who decides that? You can choose your gender but not any other life options? Your discrimination argument, for private business, falls apart under closer observation. A 50 year old enrolling in my child's daycare is an extreme scenario. I just decided it. But a man choosing to be a woman isn't? My business, my rules. I decide who I serve or don't serve. That will lead to discrimination for some but that's part of being a free society. I can tell you that in my business I won't provide services to other business that are in direct contrast to my beliefs. That doesn't mean I won't provide services to a gay person but I wouldn't provide services to an abortion facility or a chapel that performed same sex marriages. Just as you decided what was acceptable, in.your mind, business owners should have that same luxury. Exactly the same as the department stores refusing to admit people of color. So that I'm able to get a clearer picture of what you consider extreme, and grounds for discrimination, are there any lifestyles that I would have grounds to refuse service to? Should the daycare be forced to accommodate the 50 year old that identified as a 6 year old girl? Before you dismiss that as ridiculous, think about how ridiculous choosing a gender identity seemed to society just 30 years ago. Give me an example of qualified discrimination, in your opinion, if you believe there is such a thing. Geno, I see you are participating in other threads but you appear to have abandoned this one. Do you have an answer to my question? I'm sorry Bill - you are just too far out there for me to dignify your questions with a response. I haven't abandoned this thread - just your line of discussion.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: Geno]
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04/12/16 04:09 AM
04/12/16 04:09 AM
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bill
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No, I don't think either of your extreme cases should happen
I believe magazines can post any ad or not post any af they want,
I also think you realize no daycare is taking any 50 year old man. Extreme? Who decides that? You can choose your gender but not any other life options? Your discrimination argument, for private business, falls apart under closer observation. A 50 year old enrolling in my child's daycare is an extreme scenario. I just decided it. But a man choosing to be a woman isn't? My business, my rules. I decide who I serve or don't serve. That will lead to discrimination for some but that's part of being a free society. I can tell you that in my business I won't provide services to other business that are in direct contrast to my beliefs. That doesn't mean I won't provide services to a gay person but I wouldn't provide services to an abortion facility or a chapel that performed same sex marriages. Just as you decided what was acceptable, in.your mind, business owners should have that same luxury. Exactly the same as the department stores refusing to admit people of color. So that I'm able to get a clearer picture of what you consider extreme, and grounds for discrimination, are there any lifestyles that I would have grounds to refuse service to? Should the daycare be forced to accommodate the 50 year old that identified as a 6 year old girl? Before you dismiss that as ridiculous, think about how ridiculous choosing a gender identity seemed to society just 30 years ago. Give me an example of qualified discrimination, in your opinion, if you believe there is such a thing. Geno, I see you are participating in other threads but you appear to have abandoned this one. Do you have an answer to my question? I'm sorry Bill - you are just too far out there for me to dignify your questions with a response. I haven't abandoned this thread - just your line of discussion.  I'm satisfied that I just got my answer.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
Bama_Earl
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: bill]
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04/12/16 05:51 AM
04/12/16 05:51 AM
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PaschalBD
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I will sell a foot long sub to anybody, any day.....but! I will not make them a sub shaped like a penis or with a picture on it showing Jim and Joe kissing. I would imagine if Jim or Joe went to the florist and asked for a simple arrangement it would be honored, same with the bakery.
A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: Remington270]
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04/12/16 08:47 AM
04/12/16 08:47 AM
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bill
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Dang Bill, that's a crazy story. The craziest part is that people see it as "normal" and not what it really is....mental illness. I saw that story a couple weeks ago and had it in mind from the moment I entered this debate. Some in this thread want to decide what decisions are acceptable for private business owners but they also want to put their own limitations on what they consider normal and acceptable. A little common sense is the quickest thread killer there is.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
Bama_Earl
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: jbc]
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04/12/16 08:58 AM
04/12/16 08:58 AM
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WmHunter
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There must be a ton of gay cakes made, because that's the only analogy I hear. Ever.
What if publix, Winn Dixie and Kroger all decide to check gay cards at the door? Do the gays need to start farming their food?
I just think it's a slippery slope.
These bills are misunderstood. They do not allow any business to just not serve "gays". These bills really only speak to the situations where the business is personal service oriented and make clear that the religious beliefs of the owners are not trumped in a way that makes them provide the type of service that condones, supports, etc. the homo lesbo "lifestyle" - such as the wedding photographer, cake baker, bed and breakfast owner, t-shirt maker situations.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: CeeHawk37]
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04/12/16 09:00 AM
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I think a difference needs to made between in general service and custom services. Selling an item off the shelf and being forced to do perform a service or duty are two different things. What about wedding photographers? If a gay couple tries to hire them and they say no, then what happens? Selling a gay guy a lawn mower is different than taking pictures at the wedding. What about ministers who do wedding services? Can they be sued for refusing to perform the service?
This whole issue isn't about discrimination, it's about forcing an agenda. If you make the delineation in the law between custom and in general services then possibly this thing won't ever be an issue.. May still be an issue as the progressive agenda is relentless, but I think that is an important difference to highlight. Exactly, good post.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: BhamFred]
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04/12/16 09:03 AM
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to hell with a bunch of faggots and crossdressers. I am getting real damn tired of seeing em every time I turn the TV on. I wear out that remote..... Yep - and it is no longer safe to just have a TV on with kids in the room. And yeah, been that way for awhile now. 
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: I'm proud to be from the south (Alabama)
[Re: jawbone]
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04/12/16 09:09 AM
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OK. this may be very important in this argument. As of a few years ago when I taught on this subject at Faulkner, sexual orientation was NOT a protected class under Federal law. It is in some states, Alabama not being among them. Being black DOES put you in a protected class under Federal law.
So basically this couldn't happen in Alabama.
These people suing the bakeries are doing so under state laws apparently unless the Federal statute has changed and I didn't hear about it.
Is this correct Judge or Doekiller? If the Federal law changed and it got past me then never mind, my post is moot. That is correct - and that is the problem with all those State and municipal "anti-discrimination" laws proposed by the atheist communist Left. We have a lesbiandyke State legislator from north Alabama who has been introducing same type laws for years now - would allow the LGBT Satanists to sue everyone of us. Every day.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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