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No way not him

Everyone is arguing about what trump may or may not do. But just by his past history of comments, NO ONE has any idea what he will do. You guys are assuming that he's going to do what he says. You have no proof of that. His recanted a lot of what he said he would do. I for one don't like my choices of either. I hate having him in the White House as much as Hitlary. But IF he wins this election and is conservative to a degree, I'll eat crow. But either way does not look good for the conservative evangelical Christian.

This thread shows me why we have been unable to significantly impact the direction of our society with respect to our values and beliefs, not necessarily as purely Christian, but as conservatives in general. You don't have to be a Bible Beater to be conservative. Conservative principals surpass religion in a lot of ways.

Some here seem to be Hillary Supporters but they just don't want to admit it. Others seem to appear to relish in a sense of moral superiority.

From my chair they are one and the same. Their antipathy towards others intersects at the same place, however the fundamental problem is that our political system favors the liberals because of their numbers, yet the staunch conservatives are unwilling to conceded. And because of that they have become such a minority in this country that they will never turn the tables in one fell swoop. Nevertheless they continue to try over and over.

So they WILL dam the torpedoes and trudge forward to their continued demise while they eat the plate they are served by the liberals. Because unlike voting the laws, rules and regulations you must live under in this country are simply not optional.

If you take nothing else away from this you need to re-read the previous paragraph.

The liberals clearly understand the longevity of their stuggle and are totally at peace with simply chipping away at the foundations of this country and our society. Obamacare is a good example. That's been in the works for years and is the first step towards completely socialized medicine. Other examples are things like homosexuality and other perversions. They put it on your TV every night for 20 years and then everyone thinks men who want to be women are "so brave" and your 12 year old daughter is sharing a bathroom with a sexual predator.

I am extremely conservative myself, but I find it interesting that if one took a single issue such as abortion, for which we believe this country is sinful for allowing this practice to continue, that a person could with a clear conscious place themselves upon such a pedestal of morality that they would not vote. All the while knowing that by abstaining they are giving a better chance to a candidate who will clearly elect 3 judges to our highest court to uphold such a sinful practice. That is a guaranteed fact.

I find that very interesting.

My mind is completely wired the other way, the same as the liberals, as to what it takes to achieve the goal. Look, I think they are all crooks myself. Republicans and Democrats alike. I do understand however, that I am not better than the system. So I'll go vote and continue to watch our demise. I have decided and I am at peace with the fact that we are pretty much doomed.

That has not been my objection. Mine has been based on the belief that with God, there is no middle ground. There is a right choice and a wrong choice and neither of the Republican or Democrat candidates seem like the kind of people God would have me endorse to lead this nation. Both have a host of qualities that are in direct opposition to the things God says a leader or a believer should possess. God said he didn't give us a spirit of fear and I don't think he'd have us give our vote based on a fear of the lesser evil.

There is no doubt that God has a right thing and a wrong thing for His people to do in this election. I've done the wrong thing to this point because I've relied on my own understanding, just like most other professed believers on this site have. I have said that I wouldn't vote for Trump under any circumstance but I'm saying right now that I'm going to pray about it until God gives me an answer as to the right decision to make. No man will save this nation but if this nation will humble itself and ask God to lead us everything could change. All believers should petition God for an answer and have the conviction to follow through no matter if we like the answer or not.

James 1:5 ESV

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.

This is America for a little while longer, and you have that decision.

Every single word and idea we hash out today is nothing but rearranging chairs on the Titanic.

So why vote at all? Why carry a gun to protect my family? God will decide if we live or die. Why work? Won't God provide for me? That is rediculous thinking. God is all knowing and all powerful. That doesn't mean he makes every decision in my life or anyone elses. Those decisions that we make of our own free will have consequences. Consequences in our own life and the lives of others as well as the future of our country.

I just want to see some dang raise h*ll push back against the NWO Babylon demonic anti-American anti-Constitution anti-Christ crap before the crapper hits the fan.

Your right Bill.

But the political, social, legal and cultural fight goes hand in hand with aggressive evangelism.

Add: can't change the world but we could do like the Founding Fathers did for OUR country: full blown armed rebellion. Ecclesiastes says their is a legit time for war.

God commanded the Israelites to completely erase all idolatry and Satanism from the land He gave them. I am certain that there will be many American and European believers who suffer loss of reward for *failure* to being involved in trying to stop the spread of demonism and Satanism.

I agree there is a time for war and we shouldn't lay down while the progressive movement runs over us. My point was even if you defeat one agenda another will take it's place unless believers do their part to bring the lost to the Gospel, which brings real, sustained change. The church (believers) have failed miserably at that commission.