Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: Frankie
NightHunter , i'm thankful to you and Matt and others but i'm done with this . it's law so be it .
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Don't be done. I want you to understand where we're coming from. You do not have to know current, "exact" numbers to manage a population. You do have to know the other things I mentioned.

If we know by looking at the habitat and observation rates (a few other things too) then we can derive that the population is within CC. We do surveys to gather rate of growth but we do not have a way to get the rate of removal. Only by having all metrics can we actually give an educated assessment of any population. In actuality we need these metrics to be gathered in localized populations. Game Check will allow us to do that.


The problem as I see it is, information/assumptions taken from small statistical size surveys to create a number for a total populations (guess/assumption at most except where the sample/survey was taken and extrapolating to an overall population), then demanding, no, forcing detailed specific information from the hunters through threat of governmental punishment to provide information is just the normal "by golly, you are going to do it the governments way or else" attitude is what the problem is.

I have no problem the the study and gathering of information to make decisions needed for duties established by legislation for the ALDCNR. Like many others on here the issues are taken with the force of which government bodies are willing to use to get their way when there are other ways to do it that will provide the same information that are on voluntary basis. However, nothing is voluntary other than submitting to the governments force in the governments view!

EDUCATE, do not MANDATE!!

NightHunter, this is not a knock on the biologist, it is an indictment of the government system and government mindset.


My last comment on the subject.

We surveyed 127,040 hunters regarding various subjects including reporting systems.

There were 12,157 respondents to the questions; "Would you support a mandatory deer/turkey reporting system?"

For Deer:
6,584 or 54% Support
2,754 or 23% Oppose
2,819 or 23% Neither Support or Oppose

For Turkey:
5,821 or 48% Support
2,208 or 18% Oppose
4,128 or 34% Neither Support or Oppose

I'd say surveying 127,040 people is a pretty large survey even if there were only 12,157 respondents. I believe most statisticians will say that is a pretty good return on that type of survey.

And by those numbers, those that oppose are actually fewer than those that don't care. That says a lot to me.

And hopefully the vocal minority will not be able to get it over ridden like the last with the help of some crooked politician........

Life is too short to be small !!

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