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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: bigt]
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06/19/16 02:41 AM
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bigt...how old are you son? You should know that nothing official happens in Alabama without a hidden agenda. Somebody is set up to make some bank off this thing. If they were not, they have hung it up back when it was shot the hell down 3 years ago. Closing in on 50 fast lol.....I have said it before I understand the distrust in Alabama for our politicians and the government, but I just honestly can't see where this has limited or hurt the hunting in the other state where similar programs are set up. If someone has any info showing where similar gamecheck laws have hurt or limited the hunting opportunities in those states then certainly I will understand the opposition to it. Why wouldn't you demand proof from the government that it will actually be effective? Instead of demanding proof from us that it will be onerous and a hassle? The burden of proof should be on them to prove why it's necessary. Because I have hunted in states will similiar programs and it was not onerous nor a hassle and the hunting was good and all the hunters I encountered seemed to be happy with the hunting experience overall. So I just don't see the big deal and I hope that with more data they will be able to make better decisions in the future.... So it's what's good for one, is good for all type. Sounds like a winning plan.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
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06/19/16 02:51 AM
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bigt...how old are you son? You should know that nothing official happens in Alabama without a hidden agenda. Somebody is set up to make some bank off this thing. If they were not, they have hung it up back when it was shot the hell down 3 years ago. Closing in on 50 fast lol.....I have said it before I understand the distrust in Alabama for our politicians and the government, but I just honestly can't see where this has limited or hurt the hunting in the other state where similar programs are set up. If someone has any info showing where similar gamecheck laws have hurt or limited the hunting opportunities in those states then certainly I will understand the opposition to it. Why wouldn't you demand proof from the government that it will actually be effective? Instead of demanding proof from us that it will be onerous and a hassle? The burden of proof should be on them to prove why it's necessary. Because I have hunted in states will similiar programs and it was not onerous nor a hassle and the hunting was good and all the hunters I encountered seemed to be happy with the hunting experience overall. So I just don't see the big deal and I hope that with more data they will be able to make better decisions in the future.... So it's what's good for one, is good for all type. Sounds like a winning plan. Well if it works everywhere else why not give it a try  Show me one state that it has been a detriment to hunting.....
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Remington270]
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06/19/16 05:20 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting?
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Re: Game Check Scenario
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06/19/16 06:40 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
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06/19/16 07:52 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Remington270]
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06/19/16 08:57 AM
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Awbarn, AL
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Serious question while were on the topic of other states.....Do other states have a Conservation Advisory Board like we do?
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Remington270]
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06/19/16 09:03 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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Re: Game Check Scenario
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06/19/16 09:20 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine...
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Remington270]
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06/19/16 09:26 AM
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Thanks Clem.I guess Ive just never understood that whole system and the reason we need it. It seems like instead of helping that it just makes things more cumbersome. Why give doctors, lawyers, and the like the power over managing our wildlife instead of the folks with wildlife biology degrees.just never made much sense.politics I guess.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Remington270]
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06/19/16 09:29 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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Your last three words in that post are the key.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Shocktop]
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06/19/16 10:35 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine... I guess you have never heard of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky.......
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Re: Game Check Scenario
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06/19/16 10:38 AM
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Thanks Clem.I guess Ive just never understood that whole system and the reason we need it. It seems like instead of helping that it just makes things more cumbersome. Why give doctors, lawyers, and the like the power over managing our wildlife instead of the folks with wildlife biology degrees.just never made much sense.politics I guess. This I 100% agree with you on.....
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: bigt]
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06/19/16 10:38 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine... I guess you have never heard of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky....... Considering we apparently have 47 States on it but us. I hardly find that a good comparison, kinda like the sampling and participation rate I expect to see in Game Check.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: bigt]
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06/19/16 10:49 AM
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Tuscaloosa Co.
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine... I guess you have never heard of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky....... I didn't realize West Virginia was a historical big buck State.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Shocktop]
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06/19/16 11:23 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine... I guess you have never heard of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky....... Considering we apparently have 47 States on it but us. I hardly find that a good comparison, kinda like the sampling and participation rate I expect to see in Game Check. If you will notice post I was referring to this time was about lease prices and length of gun seasons not necessarily gamecheck...... also those are the only ones I know off the top of my head. I am not doing your homework for you
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Re: Game Check Scenario
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06/19/16 11:34 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine... I guess you have never heard of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky....... I didn't realize West Virginia was a historical big buck State. I didn't either. They are about the same as Alabama for big bucks scored by B&C, but that still doesn't explain why their lease prices are less than half of ours. Even if we had the exact same seasons here (hell we can only kill three bucks a season anyway) Alabama hunters would still bid the prices through the roof in search of that magical lease. Alabama hunters are not your typical hunters in my opinion we live eat and breathe hunting to the point we debate about it in the middle of the summer when it is 100 degrees outside lol.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: bigt]
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06/19/16 11:43 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine... I guess you have never heard of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky....... Considering we apparently have 47 States on it but us. I hardly find that a good comparison, kinda like the sampling and participation rate I expect to see in Game Check. If you will notice post I was referring to this time was about lease prices and length of gun seasons not necessarily gamecheck...... also those are the only ones I know off the top of my head. I am not doing your homework for you I don't need you to do it for me. I'm not the one who claimed it was so much better in other states without bringing any proof and statistics from these other states to this thread. Especially being they are so many states light years ahead of us in this. Simple numbers will help, a 500 page book of explanations is not needed.
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Re: Game Check Scenario
[Re: Shocktop]
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06/19/16 11:54 AM
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I complained about the price of Wayerhouser leases in West Virginia vs Alabama. I got schooled on WV has a very short gun season. They've got tags and regionally specific bag limits. If you are an archery only hunter you can hunt for 3 months. Gun only less than a month. http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1516/2015-16_Hunting_Regs.pdfCould this be the future of AL hunting? Whoever schooled you was probably trying to justify Alabama sky high hunting leases and using that as an excuse because there are plenty of states with short gun seasons and their lease prices are just as high if not higher. It just looks like the West Virginia hunters have been able to keep their prices down by not paying the high leases to begin with......I do not know if it is their economy or they just have their priorities set up different than the hunters in this state but the length of the gun season is not factor when you look at the other states with similar seasons. Which States do you keep referring to? Our 52nd and 53rd states I imagine... I guess you have never heard of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky....... Considering we apparently have 47 States on it but us. I hardly find that a good comparison, kinda like the sampling and participation rate I expect to see in Game Check. If you will notice post I was referring to this time was about lease prices and length of gun seasons not necessarily gamecheck...... also those are the only ones I know off the top of my head. I am not doing your homework for you I don't need you to do it for me. I'm not the one who claimed it was so much better in other states without bringing any proof and statistics from these other states to this thread. Especially being they are so many states light years ahead of us in this. Simple numbers will help, a 500 page book of explanations is not needed. I have a question for you......Have you ever hunted anywhere other than Alabama?
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