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Re: Game Wardens..
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When I hunted dope for the county, often the GW's and sometimes ABC would come with me...GW's looking for baited fields, ABC looking for stills.
GW made some good cases by photographing fields that arrestee's later claimed they had grown the corn in then mowed it down. I remember one guy that argued in court that the corn was grown in place. GW produced pics he took in the summer when we were there, about 5 stalks of white corn growing in a couple acres, then pics of when the guy was arrested, whole field carpeted in yellow corn. Judge gave the guy a couple chances to backtrack, then found him guilty of baiting AND contempt of court, for lying (and probably just being stupid).
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Because GWs can go into any property without a search warrant, I suspect other LEO agencies love to have them around.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Because GWs can go into any property without a search warrant, I suspect other LEO agencies love to have them around.
Any agency can go onto any property a GW can. The Open Field Doctrine is not exclusive to any particular agency. If I wanted to search a bag with no warrant and said I was looking for evidence of game from hunting, I'd have the same authority to do so as a GW. Hopefully, no officer would try that though because everyone would see through that. Generally speaking, GWs are the only ones that enforce game laws but police officers and deputies could if they took a notion, which would probably be against their agency head's wishes. The agents that officers like to have with them are Parole/Probation officers because when granted parole or probation you consent to have your house searched by an PO at anytime for any reason.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Thanks for the clarity, jawbone. I'd been told specifically by a law enforcement officer that he and his department loved having the GWs with them "because they can go anywhere, look around for any reason and then let us know what's there so we can bust people."
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Jawbone you have to have actual probable cause to search a bag you know that pesky 4th amendment prevents unlawful search and seizures. I guess you could but any evidence would be throw out in court w/ any lawyer worth a dang.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Game wardens can ask to see what's in your game bag or other areas (like a cooler in a truck, livewell in a boat, etc.) at any time for any reason.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Jawbone you have to have actual probable cause to search a bag you know that pesky 4th amendment prevents unlawful search and seizures. I guess you could but any evidence would be throw out in court w/ any lawyer worth a dang. Incorrect, sir. Not for game wardens, or law enforcement looking for game. I don't really agree with that, but I don't make the rules.
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Game wardens can ask to see what's in your game bag or other areas (like a cooler in a truck, livewell in a boat, etc.) at any time for any reason.
Nope. Only if you are hunting, fishing or they have evidence you have been doing one of those activities. They can't just stop you going down the road and ask to look in your cooler.
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220-2-.12 Game Bag, Hunting Coat, Etc., Shall be Open to Inspection
(1) Pursuant to the Code of Alabama, 1975, Sections 9-11-259 and 9-11- 85, which provided in effect that all game birds, animals or fish taken or killed in this State must at all times be carried or transported openly and that all game birds, animals or fish carried or transported in an illegal manner shall be confiscated and disposed of under regulations by the Commissioner;
any live box, holding box, game bag, hunting coat, camping equipment, or like receptacles, or any automobile or boat used for the carrying or holding of any fish, game birds, or game animals or any gun or fishing tackle used in hunting or fishing shall be subject to inspection by officers of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources at all times upon proper identification of said officer.
Any person who refuses to allow inspection of the above named articles shall be in violation of this regulation and shall be punished as provided by law. _________________________________
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Nope. Only if you are hunting, fishing or they have evidence you have been doing one of those activities. They can't just stop you going down the road and ask to look in your cooler
Well, yeah. Reference the Barbour County (Macon? Bullock? All?) traffic stops in a prior thread this summer.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Jawbone you have to have actual probable cause to search a bag you know that pesky 4th amendment prevents unlawful search and seizures. I guess you could but any evidence would be throw out in court w/ any lawyer worth a dang. Better check out the laws concerning enforcement of Game and fish laws. GWs can search any bag which may contain game and thus, any law officer, while conducting a Game and Fish investigation can conduct said search of bag. Like I alluded to earlier, the problem they will have is explaining what they were doing conducting a G&F search and "happen" to find other contraband. Ricky's going to have a lot of spaining to do on that one and I would imagine it would be for naught. But if, they were conducting a legitimate G&F investigation and could convince the court it was legit, it would fly.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Legitimate is the key word there. They would have to have probable cause to conduct an investagation.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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Legitimate is the key word there. They would have to have probable cause to conduct an investagation. ??? Our definition of what an investigation must differ. For 30 years I have conducted investigations in order to obtain probable cause not wait for probable cause before I investigate.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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For 30 years I have conducted investigations in order to obtain probable cause not wait for probable cause before I investigate. Damn, man. You've been doing it wrong for 30 years! C'mon!
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