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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
[Re: Remington270]
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09/27/16 07:04 AM
09/27/16 07:04 AM
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perchjerker
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They don't stop and frisk on Wall St. They do it in high crime areas ! DUH Wonder why the ones frisk are blks and hispanics ? Its because they are the ones killing each other.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
[Re: Remington270]
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09/27/16 07:06 AM
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Clem
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But the point is clear. If they were stopping and frisking everyone, which IMO they should be doing if they're going to do it, then white folks would have a flippin' come-apart and be calling legislators, police buddies, whoever they could to demand that it stop because it's unfair and they ain't done nothing wrong.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
[Re: Remington270]
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09/27/16 07:13 AM
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perchjerker
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If White folks are in the high crime area you can bet your azz they get the same. Most whites don't get searched because they are not in high crime areas. Do you want to waste the polices times in low crime areas just so they can say they are fair ? Blacks cry because too many young blk men are in prison. I guess they'd rather have those animals loose in their neighborhoods. You don't do stupid things just to appear fair. Clem you are too liberal, you have never been shot at or carried a gun with instructions to protect lives. Look at the whole picture not just"lets be fair"
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 07:19 AM
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Just so I'm clear, are we talking about Terry Stops? Supreme Court already ruled on that and they are fine or are we talking about just some random stop and frisk with not articulable reasonable suspicion? I've never heard of a court thinking that was OK and if it ever came up I think the Terry case pretty well lays it out.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 07:23 AM
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BhamFred
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don't be muddying up the legal waters there Mr. jawbone sir....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 07:43 AM
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An activist struck down the Frisk law. It was appealed to a higher court and was over turned and sent back with instructions it needed to be heard by another So as it stands now it is legal. New York had a case to Strike the appeal for all time and when the Liberal Gov came in he dropped that case. Blks are foolish to dislike that law ! It cut down murders in the hood by a very large percent. Perch, you know as well as I do that the end doesn't always justify the means. If reducing crime was all that mattered, we wouldn't have ANY civil liberties. Yep. We should never give up our freedoms because of what some folks have done,might do or could do.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 12:08 PM
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doekiller, I agree. That same power can wind up bitin all of us in the butt. Just because there is a statute or law doesn't mean that it's constitutionally legal. Abe Lincoln did a lot of crap by the strong arm of the military/law but it was illegal. Just showed the tyrant that he was.
Last edited by TGbow; 09/27/16 12:09 PM.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 12:42 PM
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Atoler
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Just so I'm clear, are we talking about Terry Stops? Supreme Court already ruled on that and they are fine or are we talking about just some random stop and frisk with not articulable reasonable suspicion? I've never heard of a court thinking that was OK and if it ever came up I think the Terry case pretty well lays it out. No, this policy was requiring no reasonable suspicion.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 12:47 PM
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jawbone
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Just so I'm clear, are we talking about Terry Stops? Supreme Court already ruled on that and they are fine or are we talking about just some random stop and frisk with not articulable reasonable suspicion? I've never heard of a court thinking that was OK and if it ever came up I think the Terry case pretty well lays it out. No, this policy was requiring no reasonable suspicion. Terry V. Ohio already covers this. That matter was asked and answered years ago and shouldn't be an issue unless The Supreme Court sees a reason to revisit it.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 12:53 PM
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... Stopping and frisking is not illegal in and of itself. But, the Terry standards must apply. Reasonable Suspicion that the individual is "armed and dangerous". Does Alabama's Section 15-5-30 and 15-5-31 meet Terry standards? Is "reasonable suspicion" that a person MIGHT BE about to commit a public offense grounds for stop and frisk? That's Alabama law, not NY.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 12:58 PM
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jawbone
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... Stopping and frisking is not illegal in and of itself. But, the Terry standards must apply. Reasonable Suspicion that the individual is "armed and dangerous". Does Alabama's Section 15-5-30 and 15-5-31 meet Terry standards? Is "reasonable suspicion" that a person MIGHT BE about to commit a public offense grounds for stop and frisk? That's Alabama law, not NY. Pretty much except that Terry doesn't allow a "search". It only allows the LEO to "pat down" the subject. You can not conduct an invasive search unless a weapon is felt in the pat down.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 01:04 PM
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How about DCNR rule 220-2-.12? Does it meet Terry standards? I'm not familiar with DCNR regs except the ones I try to follow so I'll refer this question to Troy or one of our other wardens on here.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 01:16 PM
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BhamFred
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220-2-12 calls for game and fish to be transported openly and allows fr the inspection of any car/boat/box/coat that carries game or fish to be inspected by officers of DCNR
not covered under Terry which covered looking for a weapon for officer safety.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: "Stop and Frisk" is unconstitutional
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09/27/16 01:19 PM
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Ignorance is no excuse Jawbone. Better not go hunting until you're familiar with all of 'em. Good luck with that. Thanks for the advice, Eddie.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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