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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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and now the rest of the story. Lets start off with a couple corrections from the call. The arrow was actually not broken and was still fully intact. It was just the broadhead that was broken. The arrow fell out of the deer at around 80 yards. One more correction to the story is that they had actually only tracked it around 125-150 yards. It took us a minute to work around the search area. The hunter was not able to locate his last blood spot and we kinda had to go about it blindly. We eventually got looped around in though and Otis took the trail. At about 450 yards he picked his nose off the ground and started bobbing it in the air. He picked up speed out ahead of us and had just made it out of site good when I heard him cut loose barking. I had to immediately tone him off of it because we were within about 150 yards of a very busy road. I was already antsy about working off lead where we were tracking. That was about the extent of it. I wish we would have been out in a more rural area where I could have more freely give him an opportunity to bay the deer but we just couldnt do it on this tract of land. We followed the trail for another little piece just to make sure the deer wasnt crippled enough we could sneak up on it but no luck. I think the hunter actually buried the Rage expandable up in the back of the deers front side shoulder. He said it was quartering away and he thought he had hit it in the armpit. I think it caught bone though. The funny thing aboutor not so funny I guess.is that he had just been talked into switching from his Muzzy fixed blades to these new expandables. This was the first deer he had shot with them. I think hes throwing the rest of them away.
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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…… The hunter was not able to locate his last blood spot and we kinda had to go about it blindly.
Did you want to throw a big roll of orange flagging at him and tell him what a moron he was? The funny thing about…or not so funny I guess, is that he had just been talked into switching from his Muzzy fixed blades to these new expandables. This was the first deer he had shot with them. I think he's throwing the rest of them away. Hmmm...haven't seen Muzziehead post today now that you mention that.
Ya'll are just overthinking it now
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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Did you want to throw a big roll of orange flagging at him and tell him what a moron he was? I just take a deep breath and work through it the best we can. I try not to pile on in a situation like this where the hunter is already down. However!!.....I will bitch a little now that Ive made it back to this thread. For real fellas..take some flagging with you and use it. Its not just this one track.its all of them. Its rare that anyone has anything marked. Not only will flagging key spots help us to efficiently relocate these areas.but taking the time to flag as you go will also slow you down as youre tracking and make you be a little more patient with what youre doing.
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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The broadhead debate is not one thats just black or white. These large expandable do leave some impressive holes when they hit the middle cavity of the deer. They seem to fail badly though when hitting any significant meat or bone. If I were gonna shoot a head like that then Id be sure to drop my aim point back to about 6-8 inches or so behind the shoulder. You could hit it as far back in the guts as the pecker and we would have a far better chance of recovering it as opposed to burying one up its shoulder. You might as well think about that shoulder as if it were brick.
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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12/02/16 02:55 AM
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Let me explain from my perspective as the dog tracker why it makes it a lot easier if you flag your blood trail. We trackers typically start at the hit site in order to give the dog an opportunity to get accustomed to this deers smell and to build up some momentum before working the point of loss. This is generally 100-300+ yards. This scent line is often times very tracked up by searchers and the dog can run very erratic on this part of the track due to all the different scent trails left by the searchers. I watch Otis and if hes really having to work hard to progress through the known line section..then I help him out a little by moving him forward through it.....helping him pick back up on the real line on further past the section hes muddled down in. I dont want to spend 30-45 minutes and a jar of Otiss piss and vinegar just to get us to the spot of loss. Ideally, Id like to slowly but steadily walk right down the known blood trail and to the point of loss without all the wandering around the woods thinking it was somewhere over here or maybe it was down there.I remember there was a big tree kind of stuff. I could work many tracks so much more efficiently if I could just look out through the woods and see orange flagging hanging down where youve trailed. The rut is just around the corner and many folks are about to start slinging lead at some bucks. When you finally get that shot on the one youve been looking for and he runs off after the shot..dont just assume hes gonna be laying just behind the next bush. Dont rush in and make bad decisions. Slow down, take your time.and track with the same diligence that youve done with your scent control, your stand location, your entry and exit routes, etcetc.Were hunting like pros and then tracking like novices. Again, I dont say that to be harsh on any one individual, but rather just to maybe open our eyes up to how much room for improvement we have in this area as a group. Take some flagging with you and use it as you track!
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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Great thread! Glad I found it too. I'll be back here on a regular basis to catch up.
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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Heres the rest of the story.. It did end of being a leg shot but just not a front leg. It was a solid hit to one of the back legs that completely shattered the bone just above the knee. Total distance of this track was around 1,000 yards. Like I expected, Otis didnt have any problem following this one. The biggest issue was that the deer took us into a stand of young natural pine regen. It was some of the God awfullest thickness Ive been in and we were in it for a long ways. You were literally having to fight your way through it at times. One of the coolest parts of this track was about 300 yards into it. Otis was 50-60 yards ahead of us and we were just following along behind him. All of sudden there was a huge pile of deer hair the size of a trash can lid. We stopped and inspected it and were puzzled.Did yotes get to the deer? Otis had kept on working so we marked it on the GPS and kept trucking. A few yards later there was a whole leg bone and just ahead of that was the carcass of a completely different deer that I guess another hunter must have shot a week or two prior and never found. The cool part though was that Otis barely checked up on it even though we tracked right through it. He knew that wasnt the deer he was tracking. It's a big milestone to know that he is for sure recognizing the individual deer. So anyways, we track on until we finally emerge in a SMZ. The track went off into the creek and back up the other side. There was lots of blood in the sand coming up the other bank but the trail went cold at the top. Otis worked the area for a few minutes and finally went back down into the creek and started progressing the line straight down the creek. The deer apparently couldnt make it up the bank and fell back down into the creek ditch. That became his ultimate demise. We tracked down the creek for several hundred yards with Otis down in the creek bed and the hunter and myself above him watching him work. After several hundred yards we came around some brush and there the deer was up ahead of us laying on his belly with his head up looking at us. Otis hadnt seen it yet so I toned him back and gave the hunter the go ahead to rack a shell in the chamber and finish him. Boom!!!....He never got back up.
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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Thank you CNC and Otis!
This deer was shot on our lease in Bullock. The member texted me when I was at the game in ATL and told me the story and that Otis found him! It was his girlfriends 2nd largest buck ever and he and she are very glad to recover it. So glad you were available to track this one down for her! Based on what the member told me and you confirmed, this was a nightmare track to follow due to the brush. Thanks again!
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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Was the first dead deer a buck or doe?
Dr. B
AKA: “Dr. B” Aldeer #121 8-3-2000 Proud alum of AUM, UAB, and UA Member of Team 10 Point 2023-2024 ALdeer Deer Contest Winners
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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Thank you CNC and Otis!
This deer was shot on our lease in Bullock. The member texted me when I was at the game in ATL and told me the story and that Otis found him! It was his girlfriends 2nd largest buck ever and he and she are very glad to recover it. So glad you were available to track this one down for her! Based on what the member told me and you confirmed, this was a nightmare track to follow due to the brush. Thanks again!
Dr. B Thanks man.Glad we could help recover it! Was the first dead deer a buck or doe?
Dr. B It was a young buck....like a cowhorn spike with a small fork.
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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou
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From my experience those low back leg hits bleed a whole bunch. Was that the case of this track? Good job. Yes and no. There was good blood for the first few hundred yards....basically what the hunter had already tracked....and then it petered out and you only found it here and there on a sapling or where it crossed a ditch, etc. We didn't find any blood until about 250-300 yards past where the hunter stopped tracking and it was only a spot. You could really see where it tried to climb the creek bank though.
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