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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: SkiTar]
#1946673
12/08/16 01:29 PM
12/08/16 01:29 PM
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Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
ikillbux
ishootatbux
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ishootatbux
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Anniston, AL
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Willing to bet less than half of kills are reported. Wouldn't surprise me if it was 25%.
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: SkiTar]
#1946697
12/08/16 01:54 PM
12/08/16 01:54 PM
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Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
ikillbux
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ishootatbux
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Anniston, AL
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It's not a problem with the system, it's a problem with the hunters.
Far more people in Alabama (heck, just look at this site) are angrily against Game Check. We don't have a bad system, we have a bad mentality. By and large we have a population of hunters who are ignorant about deer in general, and (at best) apathetic about deer management. Way more "if it's brown it's down" hunters than "trophy" hunters in Alabama. In Iowa you're in the minority if you kill a 1.5 yr old 4pt, in Alabama you're in the minority if you are against killing 1.5 yr old 4pts. See the difference?
It's a regular thread on here for a someone to criticize killing young bucks, and lots of other hunters will pile on him about "if it's legal, why do you care blah blah blah". We are far less management-minded here. Until Alabama hunters overcome this mindset, it won't matter what kind of system is in place.
Right now I hunt a military base that's about 20K acres. It's been on some style of DMP for about 10-15 years, and it's the most incredible herd I've ever hunted. EXTREMELY close to 1-1 ratio, substantial percentage of old-class animals, and it's a target rich environment where you can see 20+ deer on some hunts. It's dang near perfect because quality people are running it correctly!!!! As of this past weekend we reached our stated doe harvest numbers (100) and shut off the doe killing. Now, I personally wanted to shut down two weeks ago around 75 does. But 75% of the fellas out there are beside themselves!!!...they are pissed off about shutting down the does. These are also the same guys who continually bring in 2.5yr old, 13" wide 8pts (because hey, they're legal--4 on one side). We'll never overcome this mentality.
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: SkiTar]
#1946739
12/08/16 02:22 PM
12/08/16 02:22 PM
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Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,405 By the River
antlerhunter
10 point
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10 point
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,405
By the River
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I've got 500 acres in Marshall Co. TERRIBLE! I drive either an he north or two hrs west to deer hunt. There are a couple pockets of deer in Marshall, guarantee that where 95% of the harvest has come from. Patches and Greenbriar Cove areas, Kennamer Cove area to 79N and north of the State Park east of the river. And Dream Ranch don't count. Just terrible low density everywhere else. Not enough land and too many poachers. I can see more deer in one or two sittings on my other properties than I'll see on our 500 acres in Marshall all season.
You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go.... (Seuss)
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: BibbCounty]
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12/08/16 02:37 PM
12/08/16 02:37 PM
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Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,228 Cullman/Winston county line
Firefighter Bill
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but we do not have the overall quality a lot of the states you are referring to because of ag crops Same mentality as refusing to vote for anyone who isn't a democrat or republican. If you keep doing the same things you WILL get the same results. If 80% of the 2 1/2 half year olds lived to be 4 1/2 years old ,instead of the maybe 10% we have now we would have LOTS of big bucks.Can you imagine what the hunting would be like here if there were 8 times as many 4 1/2 year old bucks? Maybe not as many 170's as IOWA but plenty of 140 class deer. I will never understand killing a spike or 4 point when you can legally kill a doe? Yet some people kill several every year, yes they don't report them,haha. Talked to someone just this week who killed a spike and a little 5 point in the same day and reported them both as does on different days.
Lead, follow or get the HELL outa the way!
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: Firefighter Bill]
#1946818
12/08/16 03:08 PM
12/08/16 03:08 PM
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Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
ikillbux
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ishootatbux
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Anniston, AL
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but we do not have the overall quality a lot of the states you are referring to because of ag crops Same mentality as refusing to vote for anyone who isn't a democrat or republican. If you keep doing the same things you WILL get the same results. If 80% of the 2 1/2 half year olds lived to be 4 1/2 years old ,instead of the maybe 10% we have now we would have LOTS of big bucks.Can you imagine what the hunting would be like here if there were 8 times as many 4 1/2 year old bucks? Maybe not as many 170's as IOWA but plenty of 140 class deer. I will never understand killing a spike or 4 point when you can legally kill a doe? Yet some people kill several every year, yes they don't report them,haha. Talked to someone just this week who killed a spike and a little 5 point in the same day and reported them both as does on different days. YES!!! I've said that 10,000 times!!! Why wouldn't you just kill a doe?
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: SkiTar]
#1946822
12/08/16 03:18 PM
12/08/16 03:18 PM
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Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 8,052 Huntsville
jono23
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14 point
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Sometimes, people are new to hunting, and try for multiple seasons before they kill a deer. Sometimes, a deer finally walks in front of them, and it is a spike or a 4 point. So then that hunter kills the deer, and they are super happy, and then the whole point of hunting is accomplished.
I haven't killed any, and had the opportunity to, but that is an extremely understandable reason why someone would kill a spike or a 4 point.
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: SkiTar]
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12/08/16 03:18 PM
12/08/16 03:18 PM
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Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,319 Orange Beach, Al
Rickybobby
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8 point
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,319
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Looks like they count deer like they count snapper
I will tell you this that the MANDATORY red snapper reporting yields 25% participation among private individuals and 65% among professionals.
Last edited by Rickybobby; 12/08/16 03:20 PM.
At times my ambition far exceeds my talent.
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: leroycnbucks]
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12/08/16 03:40 PM
12/08/16 03:40 PM
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Posts: 8,363 Montgomery
WmHunter
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14 point
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There ain't any deer in the black belt. Y'all need to hunt in nirth Alabama. +1
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: ikillbux]
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12/08/16 03:41 PM
12/08/16 03:41 PM
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Posts: 8,363 Montgomery
WmHunter
14 point
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14 point
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Montgomery
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Willing to bet less than half of kills are reported. Wouldn't surprise me if it was 25%. I am thinking the same percentage.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: SkiTar]
#1946853
12/08/16 03:42 PM
12/08/16 03:42 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517 Land of the free because of th...
mike35549
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There are a lot of counties that are considered top counties like in the black belt region that on a daily basis will have no where near the number of hunters as other counties like Walker where I live. In Walker county you have more people and a lot of those own 10-40 acres and they hunt on it and kill deer on all those small parcels on land. In those other counties with a lot less population hunters live somewhere else and only hunt those counties on the weekend. So number of deer killed does not in any way prove that county has more deer than some other counties I have would say in a lot of instances just the opposite because of the disparity of man days hunted between those counties. Walker is somewhere around number 9 as far as kills and I promise you it is nowhere near number 9 in population.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: ikillbux]
#1946857
12/08/16 03:43 PM
12/08/16 03:43 PM
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Posts: 13,212 Montgomery / Luverne
crenshawco
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Booner
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Posts: 13,212
Montgomery / Luverne
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YES!!! I've said that 10,000 times!!! Why wouldn't you just kill a doe?
Killing a B&C buck in Alabama is about like winning the lottery. This isn't Iowa and regardless of how many regulations Chuck & Co. pass it never will be. I don't personally shoot young bucks but I couldnt care less if that's what somebody else wants to do.
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Re: 5 Best Counties and 5 Worst
[Re: WmHunter]
#1946859
12/08/16 03:45 PM
12/08/16 03:45 PM
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Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 13,212 Montgomery / Luverne
crenshawco
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Booner
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Posts: 13,212
Montgomery / Luverne
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Willing to bet less than half of kills are reported. Wouldn't surprise me if it was 25%. I am thinking the same percentage. I think 25 is optimistic. I don't know a single person who has even downloaded the app
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