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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: 257wbymag] #1947361
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You should let me be the judge of that by allowing me to take the biggest buck you have.

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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
I'll put my little 40 acre tract up against any larger property around me.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947363
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Just like I said. The guy who owns 40 acres wants to limit his neighbors because they are shooting all his deer.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: Blessed] #1947369
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Originally Posted By: Blessed
I own a 40 and take care of it by burning , fertilizing , greenfields etc and if people would manage like small acrage owners they would be some happy hunters .
I have owned mine probably 14 years and never killed a doe off of it because i never seen many does at all , in those 14 years i have killed only 2 bucks 1 that i shouldnt have killed and then a very nice buck 2 years ago .
I would occasionally see a turkey during deer season then nothing during turkey season but 2 years ago i killed my 1st turkey there , so it takes time but i believe the reason my sightings have gone up is due a whole lot by the pride i have taken on my place and making the habitat better for wildlife .


Well said.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: R_H_Clark] #1947371
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Just like I said. The guy who owns 40 acres wants to limit his neighbors because they are shooting all his deer.


I've got good neighbors and free ranging deer. We're all glad for each other's kills and help keep it all going.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: R_H_Clark] #1947376
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Just like I said. The guy who owns 40 acres wants to limit his neighbors because they are shooting all his deer.


Or maybe the guy with 40 acres thinks he knows what is best for the deer herd?? That is always my thoughts regardless of tract size. That is also the reason I am against the 10 day extension into Feb. I've been vocal about that.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947390
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As one of those 40 acre owners i dont think i know what's best but i do try to manage what i have by what i see and have observed . So as far as the Feb. deal you dont have to worry about that on my place because i will practice just like before that date was extended .

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: centralala] #1947407
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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947408
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Apparently some of y'all have never hunted a low deer density area. I have several times in different clubs where if you saw 15-20 deer a year you were on them. These were in tallapoosa, coosa and Dallas counties hell I would go to public land and see far more deer then on the clubs. 10 years ago when I bought my 40 acres I was lucky to get pics of 10 different deer a year. I have over doubled that number the last few years with what I've done. Does it bother me every time I hear a shot close by? Not as much as it use to but I don't want the numbers in my area going back to the point they were 10 years ago. But at the same point I have friends that in the last 10 years have seen tremendous decreases from neighbors killing everything that walks. The year before the three buck rule went into effect I had a guy on core land brag about killing 21 spikes. He may have been fos but that's what he said. Like I said earlier it's not the folks who can control themselves it's the ones who can't or won't. And yes I take a lot of pride in my property as most land owners do who do everything in their means to benefit the wildlife.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: centralala] #1947458
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Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Just like I said. The guy who owns 40 acres wants to limit his neighbors because they are shooting all his deer.


Or maybe the guy with 40 acres thinks he knows what is best for the deer herd?? That is always my thoughts regardless of tract size. That is also the reason I am against the 10 day extension into Feb. I've been vocal about that.


Possibly the guy next to him with only 10 acres just gets to hunt a couple times a year and would like to kill a deer for the freezer. Maybe he don't give a rip about managing for trophy bucks. Maybe he just likes hunting but he is getting fed up with having to jump through hoops just to carry a rifle into the woods a couple times a year and possibly bring home something for the family table.

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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
I'll put my little 40 acre tract up against any larger property around me.


Ah shat! Here we go again.

Last edited by Reloader79; 12/09/16 06:50 AM.

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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947469
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R.H. Clark speaks the truth. ^^

That guy who gets to hunt only a few times a year doesn't give two chits about trophy management, "better deer hunting experiences" here or anything else other than actually enjoying his time to hunt a few times a year without hearing some kind of deer shaming BS from the others who think we're a shitty state because we don't do it like Kansas or Ohio or Iowa.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: R_H_Clark] #1947486
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Just like I said. The guy who owns 40 acres wants to limit his neighbors because they are shooting all his deer.


Or maybe the guy with 40 acres thinks he knows what is best for the deer herd?? That is always my thoughts regardless of tract size. That is also the reason I am against the 10 day extension into Feb. I've been vocal about that.


Possibly the guy next to him with only 10 acres just gets to hunt a couple times a year and would like to kill a deer for the freezer. Maybe he don't give a rip about managing for trophy bucks. Maybe he just likes hunting but he is getting fed up with having to jump through hoops just to carry a rifle into the woods a couple times a year and possibly bring home something for the family table.


Correct. Not everyone is looking for the exact same experience as those around them are.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: Clem] #1947490
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Originally Posted By: Clem

R.H. Clark speaks the truth. ^^

That guy who gets to hunt only a few times a year doesn't give two chits about trophy management, "better deer hunting experiences" here or anything else other than actually enjoying his time to hunt a few times a year without hearing some kind of deer shaming BS from the others who think we're a shitty state because we don't do it like Kansas or Ohio or Iowa.


THANK YOU.

Some magazine article gives ALABAMA a "D" grade for our deer hunting in comparison to surrounding states. Then in the next sentence, they admit they are grading for trophy bucks. They just can't seem to ever get it. They only think of TV style hunting and not the average Joe on his off day trying to put a little meat on the ground.



Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: Squadron77] #1947492
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Originally Posted By: Squadron77
Are all of ya'll Hillary lovin liberals that need the government to tell you not to shoot does and force me to have to get permits so that I can? Are all the people on here that complain about Game Check the same ones that want the government to regulate doe harvest? Liberal wimps learn trigger control! gun


LOL you so funny.... I have plenty of trigger control, but I know plenty who don't and have no desire to learn.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947497
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Originally Posted By: MC21
1.how would y'all want it to be done. doe days, limit on does or whatever.

2. how long would it take for the population to get back to where it was


Since we do not have a tagging system in this State and because it has worked in the past I would go with doe days. For those places that need to kill more there is a program for that.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: akbejeepin] #1947499
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Originally Posted By: akbejeepin
Why not just set the rules for your property for the results you want? I guess that method doesn't control your neighbors well enough. Everybody will get there wishes soon enough, I'm sure.


That will work for large landowners or those that lease larger tracts, but for the smaller landowners they are at the mercy of their neighbors trigger control.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: R_H_Clark] #1947506
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


Your right. They are our deer, but if the state allows them to destroy the resource who is responsible? The hunter that was just following the state's regulation but doesn't really care about the future or the State that is responsible for managing the resource and did nothing when there was obviously a problem in certain areas?


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: hunterbuck] #1947519
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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000

Here's my problem with that statement. I manage my 40 acres for deer and turkeys. Summer and winter plots, fertilize browse, burn and supplemental feed. I have a lot of smaller acreage neighbors too that do nothing but put out a feeder and will shoot whatever walks by. I'm doing my part and my property and population has dramatically increased. It doesn't take long for small land holders to wipe out a deer population if they all shoot 3-4 does a year. I have been in a club with 5,000 acres that had all but wiped out the deer on the property and several other people on here can vouch for that as well. It's not to control the ones who actually have self control and want to do what's best for the herd. But the ones who don't give a damn and kill everything that walks by need to be regulated.


You manage 40 acres, now that's a helluva management you got goin there.


I am pretty sure he owns that 40 acres. There is a tremendous amount can be done on small properties that can be productive. I have found sometimes hunting 40 acres by yourself can be better than hunting 1000 acres with 5 people. Also, people that own the property tend to spend more time and money to improve the health of the game within their limits. He will be more proud of a deer taken here. The bottom line is it's his, he's proud of that as he should be, and he can pass it on. Small properties are the future in Alabama and he will be ahead.


I get all that, but you can't base an entire state's management program on what someone sees or doesn't see on their 40, or 80, or 120, etc acres.

No but you can base he management for zones according to what is going on in them. In zones with large land tracts and fewer people there would obviously be less restrictions than ion heavily populated zones. As you say you can't manage the whole state for the small landowners and you dang sure can't do it for the areas with large tracts of land with lower human populations. We need a zone management system for this state. There is no one size fits all plan that will work for this whole state.


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I think coyotes are having more of an effect on population than over harvest in my neck of the woods. We have tons of deer in my part of s montgomery co. Sat on a finally getting green field tues. afternoon. 13 deer on the field, 2 spikes, 9 does and 2 fawns that had lost their spots. Should be a lot more fawns with that many does. It varies each year. Saw lots of fawns last year and not many the year before

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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Just like I said. The guy who owns 40 acres wants to limit his neighbors because they are shooting all his deer.


Or maybe the guy with 40 acres thinks he knows what is best for the deer herd?? That is always my thoughts regardless of tract size. That is also the reason I am against the 10 day extension into Feb. I've been vocal about that.


Possibly the guy next to him with only 10 acres just gets to hunt a couple times a year and would like to kill a deer for the freezer. Maybe he don't give a rip about managing for trophy bucks. Maybe he just likes hunting but he is getting fed up with having to jump through hoops just to carry a rifle into the woods a couple times a year and possibly bring home something for the family table.


I like the way people like to throw the Trophy Hunter word out to demean people when limiting doe harvest has nothing to do with damn Trophy Hunting but rather wanting to see more deer thereby increasing hunter satisfaction, participation and hopefully getting some kids to keep deer hunting.


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