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Re: Game Check road block [Re: BhamFred] #1950907
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
ya'll don't care if a law enforcement agency(any) violates the law and/or your constitutional rights as long as YOU feel you have done nothing wrong and the bad guys might get caught??? Really??

Just where would YOU draw the line on a law enforcement agency breaking the law?? Walking into your house without any legal warrant to look for whatever they wanted?? It ain't no big deal, just a little inconvience to you. They won't find anything illegal so it ain't no big deal???


It is amazing what some people will allow because they think only criminals get punished by the overzealous and illegal searches and arrest of the police. No innocent man has ever been arrested. No innocent man has ever been charged by a cop who simply thought he could get away with it because he had gotten away with every other illegal action he has ever taken and no one called him on it.

I have seen cops arrest their sisters ex boyfriend on trumped up charges because he thought he could get away with it. Simply ask his buddy to take a report from the sister about getting beat up and then they went and arrested the guy. He was surprised anyone would call him on it, after all, another officer took the report, not him. We were able to prove my client wasn't even in the state when the alleged abuse occurred. Think that was the first time that deputy had made an illegal arrest?

I had another time that my client was arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm. His wife reported it to the police officer and showed him where the gun was, according to the arrest report. Fact was, he was screwing my client's wife and when we got the ATF to run the gun, it came back that it was purchased by wife of the officer that found it about one month before he found it in my client's bathroom closet. Think that was the first person that cop had set up?

How about this one, client charged with domestic violence against his ex-wife. The ex-wife was the daughter of a police captain in the town and the municipal judge who handled the case was his ex-wife's divorce lawyer. After they convicted him, he hired me, we appealed to the circuit court and they dropped the charges really quickly. The tried to get him to sign a release saying he wouldn't sue the city, the police department or the judge. He wouldn't sign it, but never did anything about it other than file a complaint about the judge. The judge ended up getting a private reprimand. Think that was the first time they had done something like that?

Re: Game Check road block [Re: jmj120] #1950911
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Fred, I don't agree with illegal searches and such but something that is obvious as a road block that is attempting to catch hunters who feel they don't have to follow the law or get drunks off the road that might end up killing someone, I have absolutely no problem with it.

It seems to me that the ones that yell the loudest are usually the ones that have something to hide. That is just been my observation of the years. Whether it is bitching about legal shooting hours, baiting laws, trespassing or whatever. I have absolutely no use for anyone who knowingly and intentionally obstructs or disobeys game laws, PERIOD.


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Re: Game Check road block [Re: Remington270] #1950912
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If we would just have a limit and go to tags this would not be a problem.

You guys could show the GW at the roadblock the tag on your button bucks and everything would be good. No problems then.


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Re: Game Check road block [Re: Goatkiller] #1950915
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
If we would just have a limit and go to tags this would not be a problem.

You guys could show the GW at the roadblock the tag on your button bucks and everything would be good. No problems then.
Agreed

Re: Game Check road block [Re: jmj120] #1950927
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I think it's total bulldoodoo. I wouldn't have a problem in the world with it if they were only asking for documentation if there was a dead deer in the bed. To ask someone for documentation just for hauling an atv or wearing camo?
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Re: Game Check road block [Re: DMC] #1950931
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Originally Posted By: DMC
This is giving me flashbacks. I went through the same road block in the same location on the last weekend of season last year. It was around 6 or 7 p.m. There were Game wardens from multiple counties at the roadblock. They were questioning everyone who looked to be hunters. My dad was driving the truck and in street clothes, they gave him a warning for hunting without a license (he wasn't hunting, and when he does hunt it is on his own private land), gave me a ticket for hunting without a license and no harvest record ( i had killed a buck and a doe and had no harvest record so i was in violation of that one). The other person with us had a buck and a doe and got a ticket for no harvest record as well. After an hour on the side of the road waiting for our tickets we finally were released and barely made it to shanas processor in time.

After multiple calls with game warden office, head of game wardens, macon county court etc. i never got any info on how much the ticket would be. I tried to go in advance to show my license that i did not have with me that night because i was not hunting, i was just riding in a truck to a processor and then back to camp for the night. They said i had to go before the judge for the no license issue. So i go to my court date which is full of people in similar situations and 2 game wardens. I go before the judge and apparently my no license ticket was already thrown out and no one had informed me. This made the court date a waste of time since the license ticket was the only reason i went to the court date. And when i attempted to show my license and pay in advance of course no help was given. So I paid my court costs and harvest record ticket and was done with it.

Even better, my buddy who was in the truck that got a harvest record ticket went ahead and paid his in advance since it was only the harvest record ticket, the macon county courts screwed that up and listed him as a failure to appear in court. Luckily for him i was in court that day for mine and i let him know. He called up there and confirmed he had a failure to appear and he had to contact judge directly to get that taken care of as apparently he had become a fugitive because macon county court system is full of idiots.

It was a wonderful experience and there was a pretty lengthy thread on it last year at the time. I was guilty of no harvest record so no one to blame but myself, but the whole road block by a processor on the last weekend with multiple game wardens from multiple counties checking hunting license and harvest records from everyone who appeared to be a hunter seemed a little over the top to me as well.


Dang. That's unreal. I'll add this. If it can be screwed up, Macon County can do it.

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Originally Posted By: dirkdaddy
Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
If we would just have a limit and go to tags this would not be a problem.

You guys could show the GW at the roadblock the tag on your button bucks and everything would be good. No problems then.
Agreed


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Re: Game Check road block [Re: jmj120] #1950939
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So, Muzzie and Goatkiller, if you're driving down the road and not hunting or engaged in any way whatsoever with hunting but are stopped by a Game Warden who demands to see your hunting license and "harvest" record only because you're in a truck or have an ATV or something, then you have zero problem with that and are happy to comply showing your papers to him at any time of the day or night?


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Re: Game Check road block [Re: Clem] #1950943
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Originally Posted By: Clem

So, Muzzie and Goatkiller, if you're driving down the road and not hunting or engaged in any way whatsoever with hunting but are stopped by a Game Warden who demands to see your hunting license and "harvest" record only because you're in a truck or have an ATV or something, then you have zero problem with that and are happy to comply showing your papers to him at any time of the day or night?



While you at it sir, do you mind pulling over here so we can search your vehicle. If you are not doing anything illegal it will only take 1/2 hour of your day and then you can be on your way knowing that you are a great American.

Re: Game Check road block [Re: BhamFred] #1950953
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
they give yer dad a written or verbal warning??


i was wrong. they gave him a written warning for no harvest record. not license. i just went back to the old thread and saw where i had made that mistake.

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I also while looking at the old thread saw where my buddy paid $100 for his no harvest record violation. I paid $200. Same court house. Got ticket in same truck etc.. Maybe the difference is because i actually went to court?? Or more than likely Macon county court system has no idea what they are doing?

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Doesn't bother me. Why? Read this thread. People completely disregard game laws in this state. Mad because they got a ticket for a violation, saying they aren't going to follow the rules, etc.

Everything has been so lax in this state for so long this is where we have wound up. I've never seen anything like it.

Hope that Warden is a pain in the arse. I'd love for him to work in one of my counties.


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Re: Game Check road block [Re: jmj120] #1950966
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So as Doekiller and Fred said, you don't mind if law enforcement are cutting corners and doing things possibly illegally as long as they catch a few bad guys. The ends justify the means no matter what?

Your "minor inconvenience" despite possibly being illegal -- because no one will challenge them on it -- is fine with you? You'll surrender civil liberties because of a deer?


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Re: Game Check road block [Re: Clem] #1950979
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I've got no problem with it Clem. I've been a Waterfowl hunter my whole life and I'm no stranger to having my license checked on the water, at the ramp, wherever.....

That's like saying if I'm riding down the river FISHING in a camo boat wearing Camo during duck season and the Marine police or Game Warden pulls me over to check my boat. All I've got is fishing rods so I'm on my way.

He pulls me over and I've got fishing rods and a shotgun but no Waterfowl stamp... I get a ticket.

Pretty simple concept. Doesn't matter why he singled me out to pull me over but obvious is obvious.

I would say if you can't play by the rules go hunt somewhere else but every other state has more rules than we've got, better enforcement and most importantly their hunters as a whole are not a pack of wantom violators of their states game laws like they are in this state. That's not their culture as a group but it is obviously here.


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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
I've got no problem with it Clem. I've been a Waterfowl hunter my whole life and I'm no stranger to having my license checked on the water, at the ramp, wherever.....

That's like saying if I'm riding down the river FISHING in a camo boat wearing Camo during duck season and the Marine police or Game Warden pulls me over to check my boat. All I've got is fishing rods so I'm on my way.

He pulls me over and I've got fishing rods and a shotgun but no Waterfowl stamp... I get a ticket.



That is absolutely not correct. You could be deer hunting with buck shot, pig hunting, etc. If you get a ticket for having a shotgun and no duck stamp but aren't duck hunting, that game warden has no clue as to what he's doing.

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No.... he'd probably give you a ticket for hunting with the wrong size shot and for hunting with lead.

Common sense. This ain't the free-for-all y'all so badly want it to be. That's not how this works. Y'all need to recognize that and get in line or get your ticket.


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So you believe Alabama is full of "wanton violators" and that is the culture of our state?

If so I'd disagree. We have violators as in any other state. But I don't believe "as a whole" -- which implies a majority -- our hunters are outlaws.

Everyone who disagrees with something does not automatically become an outlaw. Some people who vehemently disagree with something -- GameCheck, for example, or potentially illegal roadblocks -- may still follow the regulations and laws set forth while still disagreeing about it and even fighting to have them rescinded, changed or whatever.

Trundling blindly along with everything the government says and does and proclaiming it good, better than or we need to be like other states, "for the good of society," something to root out all the evil violators and so forth, is merely being part of the sheeple society.


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This ain't the free-for-all y'all so badly want it to be. That's not how this works.


No one ever has said to make it a "free-for-all." Ever. You're dreaming on that one.

And "getting in line" merely goes straight to the sheeple society point. You want to be part of the sheeple? Go ahead. But blindly agreeing to, supporting and going along with everything the DCNR or other government agencies do "for the good of society" is horsecrap, especially if it's potentially illegal or illegal or cutting corners in the "ends justify the means" methods.


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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
No.... he'd probably give you a ticket for hunting with the wrong size shot and for hunting with lead.

Common sense. This ain't the free-for-all y'all so badly want it to be. That's not how this works.

If you don't have enough common sense to not violate the law take up golf. Rules are rules. Y'all need to recognize that and get in line or get your ticket.


Dear Lord please name one, just one law I would be violating by riding down the river without a duck stamp and having a shotgun. I would have no calls, no decoys, nothing related to duck hunting.

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