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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BOFF] #2017941
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David I've thought a lot about that after you showed it to me and I'm not convinced it's the powder either but your next trial with the H110 will tell all. If it works out I'd send a good sample along with a lot # to be tested because you'll have a good bit of unusable powder on your hands and I know that aint cheap


Originally Posted By: BOFF
Originally Posted By: dave260rem!
H110&W296 are quite close.(Made by same people)


The actual load I used for the above shell calls for either/or of both powders for the same recipe.

Both powders pressure tested as well.

If the H110 does well with the same lot of hulls, wads, etc. it's got to be the Win 296 powder.

God Bless,
David B.


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2017966
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Loaded a 5 gallon bucket of AA shotgun shells and had a couple three where I didn't throw the powder charge.... That was like 30 years ago.

There is always a risk but that's the only thing I have ever done. You just have to be careful and do things in order in batches and don't stop 1/2 way through one of your processes to go get a drink or something. One thing I do on a single stage is throw the charge and seat the bullet at the same time so I don't throw a double charge.


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: Goatkiller] #2018979
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
Loaded a 5 gallon bucket of AA shotgun shells and had a couple three where I didn't throw the powder charge.... That was like 30 years ago.

There is always a risk but that's the only thing I have ever done. You just have to be careful and do things in order in batches and don't stop 1/2 way through one of your processes to go get a drink or something. One thing I do on a single stage is throw the charge and seat the bullet at the same time so I don't throw a double charge.


I do this also. All of the other procedures are done in batches until loading the powder and bullet. I think it is safer to do this.


Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales

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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2020506
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Dave, I didn't do it, but I saw a Ruger SuperBlackhawk with the top strap ripped open and peeled forward, top three cylinders gone. Guy swore it was factory load till we beat the cylinder out and removed one of the three remaining rounds. 22gr of BULLSEYE over a 240gr bullet!!!!!!!!!! No injuries except to the gun!!


DAY UM! Somebody shoulda been killed! Thank Gawd it was a SBH!!!!

Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2020549
02/07/17 04:16 PM
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Seen a Smith 57 missing one chamber&topstrap 17.8 of Unique instead of H4227. Oops!


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2025052
02/12/17 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Dave, I didn't do it, but I saw a Ruger SuperBlackhawk with the top strap ripped open and peeled forward, top three cylinders gone. Guy swore it was factory load till we beat the cylinder out and removed one of the three remaining rounds. 22gr of BULLSEYE over a 240gr bullet!!!!!!!!!! No injuries except to the gun!!


Buddy of mine blew a supler blackhawk up in 44 mag. About 2 years ago. Using winchester auto comp. Powder. Long story short the the 2 rounds he loaded to see how they shot ended up getting double charged. Cylinder was no where to be found the top strap was bent up,the frame was bent. He was lucky he didnt even get a scratch on him

Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2025125
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Super Blackhawks are some kind of tough guns....


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2025477
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I killed a deer with a 8mm fired out of a 30-06. I have since learned to pay more attention to sorting my reloads before deer season. Also fired a 8mm Nambu in a 7.62 Tokarev pistol. Again, I've learned to be more careful with rounds on the range.

Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2027291
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Mine first. 30 years ago I got hold of some 60 gr bullets for my 25/06, but couldn't find any loading data. I had data for a 75gr bullet, so I just figgered out a load for the 60gr. Minor problem...I ha da can of 4350 sitting right nest to the powder thrower, BUT there was a much faster powder IN the hopper. loco

Got one loaded and went to shoot it to look at pressure signs. rolleyes Glasses in ear muffs in place I touched her off. Loud BOOM, kicked like a 378Weatherby, and chitt flew back into my face. DAMN. Bolt wouldn't open. I stood on the gun and my bud kicked the bolt open. Primer was GONE, as in nottobeseen...case head was polished smooth, no writing that was there just minutes before. A little hot it seems.. slap I'd a like a slowmo of that bullet going down range.

Took a little while to figger out what stupid chitt I had done back at the bench. I figgered that load was something like 30% above max load. shocked shocked I was, however, impressed by the strength of that Rem 700 action.


There was a thread on here a couple years ago where a guy from another board posted his screw up. He had confused pistol powder for rifle powder and the first round from his brand new rifle, yielded horrendous results. The rifle was blown apart at the action, the sock and scope were blown in half and there was a pile of shrapnel. You can imagine was his trigger hand looked like too! I saved the link to the pic, but it was removed. I used it to show folks what could happen if you get complacent.


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: Goatkiller] #2028034
02/14/17 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
There is always a risk but that's the only thing I have ever done. You just have to be careful and do things in order in batches and don't stop 1/2 way through one of your processes to go get a drink or something. One thing I do on a single stage is throw the charge and seat the bullet at the same time so I don't throw a double charge.


Very important to have a process.

I work from right to left. On a clean, uncluttered bench.
I also throw the charge and seat the bullet immediately before repeating the process for the next cartridge.


Last edited by walt4dun; 02/14/17 04:53 PM.
Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: walt4dun] #2037046
02/23/17 09:48 AM
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Back in the 90s I belonged to a Contender forum and we talked a lot about the various Ackley Improved rounds; many of them work well in a Contender. I found some old data where Mr. Ackley had given the recipe for a 30-30 Ackley Improved with a 150g bullet that produced a velocity of 2700 fps. Several people on there told me that was crazy and impossible.

Feeling that Mr. Ackley's integrity had been questioned, I decided I would do it with a carbine barrel. I found a 30-30 barrel and bought it and got Jimmy McCollough to rechamber it, then made up rounds increasing a half grain at a time until I reached the max that was supposed to give me 2700.

I carried them to the range and shot them over a chrony and watched the velocity rise with each shot. I got a flattened primer when I was still a grain below max, but shot the next round anyway. The gun broke open at the shot and it took some prying to remove the case, but the chrony read 2639. I didn't shoot the last one, but with a 26" barrel and a stronger gun I'm confident that 2700 was reachable.

I gotta admit it was foolish to push it that far. It may have stretched the frame, but I still have it and use it with the .22 barrel and it shoots fine. Most of my loading screw ups have just been recklessness more than errors.


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2048052
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My biggest screw up happened yesterday. I had loaded some 140 accubonds for my both my 7-08 and my 280 AI. I'd shoot a group with one, set it down to let the barrel cool and shoot the other one. Broke the rule about not having 2 different boxes open on the bench at the same time.
This is what a 7-08 case looks like after its fired through a 280 Ackley

Funny thing is I actually hit an 8" steel gong at 300 yards. Almost no recoil but the velocity had to have been pretty good to be that close at 300.

Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BrentM] #2048078
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Originally Posted By: BrentM
My biggest screw up happened yesterday. I had loaded some 140 accubonds for my both my 7-08 and my 280 AI. I'd shoot a group with one, set it down to let the barrel cool and shoot the other one. Broke the rule about not having 2 different boxes open on the bench at the same time.
This is what a 7-08 case looks like after its fired through a 280 Ackley

Funny thing is I actually hit an 8" steel gong at 300 yards. Almost no recoil but the velocity had to have been pretty good to be that close at 300.



That's cool what it did to the brass, but not cool that it happened.

Thanks for sharing.

Glad it was the same diameter bullet.

God Bless,
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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2048105
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Nice, I guess my worst would be having a few stuck cases due to not using enough case lube. Never have blown anything up yet. Be safe and pay close attention when y'all are loading and shooting.


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2048303
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buddy of mine was sighting in a 264WM and a 7mmRM some time. He loaded a 264 in the 7mm and fired it..keyholed the target and the brass blew out with a very short 7mm neck on it. Not good.


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BOFF] #2052943
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Originally Posted By: BOFF
Originally Posted By: BrentM
My biggest screw up happened yesterday. I had loaded some 140 accubonds for my both my 7-08 and my 280 AI. I'd shoot a group with one, set it down to let the barrel cool and shoot the other one. Broke the rule about not having 2 different boxes open on the bench at the same time.
This is what a 7-08 case looks like after its fired through a 280 Ackley

Funny thing is I actually hit an 8" steel gong at 300 yards. Almost no recoil but the velocity had to have been pretty good to be that close at 300.



That's cool what it did to the brass, but not cool that it happened.

Thanks for sharing.

Glad it was the same diameter bullet.

God Bless,
David B.


Just run into the 7-08 sizing die and everything will be OK! Hahahaha.

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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2056715
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No powder in a 7 mag case once. Had to drive the bullet back out of the barrel with an oak dowel and a hammer.


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Re: handloading screw-ups [Re: BhamFred] #2081843
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My screw-ups at the bench have not been catastrophic yet. I once loaded 50 rounds of new 308 brass, only to notice the last two or three I could rotate with my fingers after seating. I went back and tested the whole batch and found nearly 20 that would turn. I hadn't neck sized the new brass, so I pulled the bullets and started over.

Also, after carefully weighing each charge of powder on some test rounds for my triple deuce, I found that I forgot to charge two of the darn cases. I usually charge all the cases before starting to seat the bullets. When I'm done with the powder, I always check the block of standing cases with a flashlight to make sure there's a charge in each. If I hadn't done that, I would have been dealing with a stuck bullet.

A friend of mine taught me how to reload. He had a very stringent step-by-step procedure that all but eliminated any careless errors. I find myself not quite as militant with it as he, but still have my game-face on while working up rounds.

Be safe out there!


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