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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: ghost rabbit]
#2031254
02/17/17 03:10 PM
02/17/17 03:10 PM
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Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,780
central ala,
centralala
14 point
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Posts: 7,780
central ala,
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They don't have a clue what % it really was. I have a feeling it may have been greater than 35% but who knows and that is the problem. Most people I have talked to have reported lower sightings but thats a small sample. If they're going to continue to use the old #s to figure the percentage of reporting success what was the need for something new? At what point do you stop using the old #s to get an assumed deer harvest and start using the new game check numbers? Or will they just use their number assumptions that they want to use and continue to tell us what the percentage of people that are using game check? At what point do you start looking at these numbers as data that can be trusted, when it lines up with the #s you've been putting out? If not when do you change your numbers to match a guessed % from game check? That about sums it up.
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: Skinny]
#2031255
02/17/17 03:12 PM
02/17/17 03:12 PM
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Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 15,117
Tuscaloosa Co.
N2TRKYS
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 15,117
Tuscaloosa Co.
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If they knew that they had a 35% reporting rate, then they definitely don't need game check.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: Hogwild]
#2031260
02/17/17 03:20 PM
02/17/17 03:20 PM
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Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 13,260
Montgomery / Luverne
crenshawco
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 13,260
Montgomery / Luverne
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I have not seen anyone say that they did not use it. And, I do not know anybody that did not use it.
I do know a lot of guys that hunted this year and did not kill anything. Now you know one. I don't know anybody who did use it and I know a lot of hunters as well
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: extreme heights hunter]
#2031268
02/17/17 03:24 PM
02/17/17 03:24 PM
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Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 38,489
N. Bama
257wbymag
Boo Boo Head
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Boo Boo Head
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 38,489
N. Bama
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I'm betting 35% is a bit inflated. Well sheeeeeit yes it is
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: bigt]
#2031282
02/17/17 03:50 PM
02/17/17 03:50 PM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
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I entered the buck I killed in game check in Alabama and registered the one I killed in Illinois using their system. Alabama's was actually easier to use. I agree. But, AL also asks for less data.
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: robb]
#2031288
02/17/17 03:57 PM
02/17/17 03:57 PM
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Joined: May 2012
Posts: 12,481
Pike County, AL
Fuzzy_Bunny
Booner
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Booner
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 12,481
Pike County, AL
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. It could be 10% or 90%; how could you know. So I assume they are using the guess they had last year and dividing what was reported this yr by that number and getting 35%? That is the only way they can.
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: robb]
#2031289
02/17/17 03:58 PM
02/17/17 03:58 PM
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Posts: 8,504
Atoler
14 point
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. It could be 10% or 90%; how could you know. So I assume they are using the guess they had last year and dividing what was reported this yr by that number and getting 35%? Or you could base it on game warden interactions..... Like maybe 35% of hunters with a dead deer reported them.
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: robb]
#2031309
02/17/17 04:17 PM
02/17/17 04:17 PM
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Joined: May 2012
Posts: 12,481
Pike County, AL
Fuzzy_Bunny
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Booner
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Posts: 12,481
Pike County, AL
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How many game warden interactions would there be? That sample size seems like it would still be small and how could it give you the total number of deer killed in the state?
I think I have had two in my 25 years of hunting in this state, so if you do the math based on my interactions you don't have a very good data set.
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: robb]
#2031313
02/17/17 04:24 PM
02/17/17 04:24 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,130
Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,130
Round ‘bout there
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. For decades they estimated an annual "harvest" based on the statistically valid post-season survey -- deemed last year as worthless info by the director -- and whatever other method they used for the estimate. So estimating the amount of deer killed based on a little-used check system should be easy. Just come up with a percentage, multiply it by whatever factor and then say "Hey, success!" I'd be embarrassed and madder than 10 wet hens if after 2-3 years of a voluntary system, the amount of meetings and such they had last year, the discussion based on this site and elsewhere, and repeated stories about it being mandated, and 70% or so of the people ignored it. As Skinny said, in the private world some heads would roll at such a failure.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: Clem]
#2031322
02/17/17 04:32 PM
02/17/17 04:32 PM
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Posts: 14,167
Over yonder
extreme heights hunter
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 14,167
Over yonder
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. For decades they estimated an annual "harvest" based on the statistically valid post-season survey -- deemed last year as worthless info by the director -- and whatever other method they used for the estimate. So estimating the amount of deer killed based on a little-used check system should be easy. Just come up with a percentage, multiply it by whatever factor and then say "Hey, success!" I'd be embarrassed and madder than 10 wet hens if after 2-3 years of a voluntary system, the amount of meetings and such they had last year, the discussion based on this site and elsewhere, and repeated stories about it being mandated, and 70% or so of the people ignored it. As Skinny said, in the private world some heads would roll at such a failure. All those seminars/meetings didn't cost the state a single red cent correct?
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: extreme heights hunter]
#2031332
02/17/17 04:43 PM
02/17/17 04:43 PM
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Joined: May 2010
Posts: 6,130
Cullman
CKyleC
(Can't Keep It Up...)
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(Can't Keep It Up...)
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 6,130
Cullman
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. For decades they estimated an annual "harvest" based on the statistically valid post-season survey -- deemed last year as worthless info by the director -- and whatever other method they used for the estimate. So estimating the amount of deer killed based on a little-used check system should be easy. Just come up with a percentage, multiply it by whatever factor and then say "Hey, success!" I'd be embarrassed and madder than 10 wet hens if after 2-3 years of a voluntary system, the amount of meetings and such they had last year, the discussion based on this site and elsewhere, and repeated stories about it being mandated, and 70% or so of the people ignored it. As Skinny said, in the private world some heads would roll at such a failure. All those seminars/meetings didn't cost the state a single red cent correct? LOL! I guarantee my tax dollars paid for many nice dinners, hotel rooms, gas, and depreciation
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: Game Check Press Release
[Re: Skinny]
#2031338
02/17/17 04:47 PM
02/17/17 04:47 PM
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 72,625
Luverne, AL
Skinny
OP
GUVNER
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GUVNER
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 72,625
Luverne, AL
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Yup Game Check numbers pretty much tell the tale,
The entire Game Check system is a a complete and total failure.
However, the gamecheck system is a great learning experience about how failure can be a learning experince. Ya'll fill in the blanks...
Game Check taught us that...
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people.
"The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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