The MB-650 is a much faster and better built trap than the K9 extreme. The wire levers on the MB add speed vs the extreme's flat metal levers. This makes a huge difference in frozen or wet ground.

Uh oh....sounds like we have a debate here over which is the best.

I'm not gonna debate! I own both traps and you're free to come put your hands on them at any time and see for yourself which is built better.

The K9 extremes are made of heavier metal, they're dogless, have a bigger pan, less welds and screws, better pan tension adjustment, they come coated and they cost less than a mb650!

Those aren't opinions, those are facts!

Buy whatever traps you're happy with. Doesn't matter to me either way.

I was just sitting here drinking coffee and reading some reviews of the K9-Extreme. Everything I’m reading agrees with you. I don’t really see anything negative. Most people seem very impressed with them. A few people did comment about not having “wire levers”. I’m new to this so I don’t really know what that means or the pros and cons of it.

Alright this is a mb650 with wire levers. The levers are the pieses at the very top and bottom of the trap in this picture. They're what snaps the jaws closed and hold them closed.



This is a K9 extreme with flat levers.

Thanks North….I appreciate the pics. Yeah, I see what y’all are saying now. I’m really leaning toward the K-9 Extreme’s. I’m gonna make a trip down here first to the trapping store in Ramer before ordering them and see what supplies they have. That way I can order whatever else I need with my traps.

Your welcome! Like I said before if you want to actually put your hands on some before you order them just get up with me. I bought 2 of every trap in production a couple years ago just so I could put my hands on them and see for myself what was what and what felt right to me.

Thanks for the pics North40. Factual, respectful debate is what makes us learn and solve problems, so I'm all for it. North40, when you get a chance, set both traps and lay them side by side and take a pic. The MB does not have a loose jaw when set, the K9 does. The elongated pan on the K9 allows the trap to be triggered with the coyotes paw still partially out of the trap, this results in a certain percentage of misses. The MB's pan is smaller and centered in the trap. If a coyote steps on the pan his whole pad is within the jaws. High volume trapping is a game of percentages and everything you can do to tweek your eqpt. ups those percentages.

I get off work at 2pm today and I'll take those pics for you.

Pan tension is what keeps a trap from firing if only a partial foot is inside the trap. If I remember correctly the 650 will not go below 4 or 4.5 lbs. The wire levers are harder on your hands setting them as well as the pan system with no loose jaw is pretty tough to set. Not taking anything away from the trap but they are pretty tough to set and maintain for the price. They catch and hold coyotes and that's what matters!





Another advantage of the K9 extreme is the man building them. You can call Kendall and tell him exactly how you want your traps set up and that's how you'll get them. I'm going to order a couple dozen more from him this summer and this time I'm going to get the coated traps.

This is a very interesting debate. Looking forward to the pics. North40…..Are you having any issues with yotes triggering the K-9’s without getting caught?

I have not set any of them for coyotes yet. Lonster has about a dozen coyotes and bobcats posted in the catch thread at the top of this page all caught in K9 extremes. I've only got to set mine once this year but it got the job done.



You know they're good when you catch and hold ol' Bucky! Lol!

I've sold quite a few to others that are having great success with them on coyotes and no issues that I'm aware of. Like I said earlier pan tension is what keeps your trap from firing until the animal puts it's wieght down on the trigger. If an animal has it's foot partially on a jaw then the jaw is going to hold weight off the pan.

I couldn't agree more with that statement! Which leads me to this. If you can't adjust pan tension down below 4 or more pounds on the 650 but the extreme can be lowered to 2lbs if desired, the 650 is notorious for dead spots on the pan but the extreme is dogless and can be set with zero pan creep, not to mention the dogless design makes setting so much faster what is your reason for believing the 650 is a better built, faster trap?

I'm not aware of anyone reporting misses or miss fired traps with the extremes and honestly can't see it being an issue. The big pan to me is an advantage not only for a bigger sweet spot but also are less app to allow dirt to settle under them preventing them from firing in wet conditions.

The MB is not easy to set by hand but is no problem with the setters. The reason it's faster is simple, the wire levers don't have to move as much dirt. It doesn't seem like a big deal until it rains on your set and the ground freezes or it rains on your set and it's 100 degrees the next few days and the ground bakes and crusts over. The pan on the MB is sized in proportion to the trap and can be adjusted down to about 3lb, although I like it at 4 for coyotes. A 4 lb pan will keep alot of non-targets from springing it. I don't like remaking a set for a possum or grey fox. The smaller pan allows me to pack between the pan and jaw. I use something under the pan to prevent dirt build up, so that's no issue. The K9 has the same size spring as the MB moving larger jaws and more dirt on the levers so it's slower. I have used big pans, small pans and even no pan over the years and I can promise you that a pan close to the jaw edge will result in some misses over time. I still have the first few dozen MBs I purchased over 20 years ago and they work flawlessly. When I set a trap I want it to perform in any condition and for days or weeks on end. The K9 will catch coyotes, no doubt, but I see some shortfalls, that I know from experience, will cause you some misses. JMO

Thanks North40......


You guys make good cases both ways. Now I don’t know which one to go with. I’m gonna have to give it some thought for a few days as I get my other supplies rounded up. The MB’s definitely seem to be tried and true from what you read so it doesn’t sound like you could go wrong with them. In the meantime, if this yote keeps coming by my camera….I think I’m gonna do some bait experiments with him and see what happens. Just for the heck of I it I stuck a stick in the ground today in front of the camera and took a leak on it.

Hope you have better luck with a camera than I did. The ones I got on video noticed the camera and ran off

This is a camera I have set up right here behind my house that’s been there since deer season started. I started bush hogging and cleaning up brush and I think I have the field mice stirred up. I’ve got a yote that’s been making regular visits here lately. I think in some ways yotes get used to human scent like deer do. I’m out here walking around and working the dogs constantly right where this yote is coming through. At certain times of the year and in under certain situations….it’s like they just don’t seem to care.

One example is when my Chickasaw plums are dropping. I can go out here and prune in under the trees on my hands and knees getting scent everywhere and the yotes will still make their rounds through later that night to feed on the plums. I guess when they run across our scent at random though in the wild….it’s much more alarming to them. It’ something that’s out of the ordinary. Those plums and persimmons is what I really want to try and experiment with on bait. They’re like coyote magnets. These big Asian persimmons I’m growing are really sweet too. I’m thinking you might be able to make a really nice sweet smelling bait with it that would be good on yotes and coons. Might have to cook them down almost like jelly or preserves.

C3 and North40,

Great points. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Good technical info and pics. Bottom line is that some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevys. Buy what you like and spend a little more time making a quality set because you have confidence in your equipment.

Love these post! Thanks for sharing and wished there were more post like these! Im new to this and these post clear up questions and also the pics help!