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Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: CNC] #2043371
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Originally Posted By: CNC
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
ya'll do realize it is just another TAX????


I’ve been hearing for years that the DCNR was underfunded and that we needed to raise the cost of a hunting license …..is this not true?


A tax is something you have to pay, you will not have to buy the license.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: pcamper] #2043394
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Hunting has become all about the $. We are all just sitting back and letting them do it. Eventually it's going to get where no one can afford to do it legal and we will all become outlaws.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: therealhojo] #2043403
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Originally Posted By: therealhojo
Originally Posted By: CNC
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
ya'll do realize it is just another TAX????


I’ve been hearing for years that the DCNR was underfunded and that we needed to raise the cost of a hunting license …..is this not true?


A tax is something you have to pay, you will not have to buy the license.


you have to pay a TAX when you buy cigarettes, that you don't have to buy either.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: BruteX] #2043421
03/01/17 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: BruteX
Pay the $15 and shut your pie holes. The DNR is broke as it is. Baiting needs to be legal and along with it, more antler restrictions and a shorter rifle season. I swear some folks will cry about everything


You can pay the $15 and shut your pie hole if you want to, but I won't.



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Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: pcamper] #2043458
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I could care less on the corn issue. Make it legal or illegal; that doesn't really bother me. Having hunted where you can bait, I did not see that much difference nor did we have issues on the lease. We also didn't just have sections to hunt. We tried to spread feeders out across the property and hunted like normal. We weren't all trying to sit over a feeder. I think it can be used and obviously will be abused but it's not a magic bullet in my experience.

The $15 is complete BS. I pay a tax when I buy the corn; they can work out how to take some of that with the state but I shouldn't have to pay again to pour it out. It's like me paying taxes when I buy ammo and then they tell me I have to pay another $15 to use that ammo to deer hunt. It's not our problem if they can't manage their finances and divide the tax money how it needs to be divided and this $15 will not help that. The baiting can be debated all you want but their lack of leadership is not up for debate. They have shown they have none.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: pcamper] #2043462
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If you don't want to bait , then don't. NO $15.00 fee needed.
I still won't hunt over it myself, but geez, you guys take things to the outer limits with the rants.....

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: BhamFred] #2043468
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: therealhojo
Originally Posted By: CNC
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
ya'll do realize it is just another TAX????


I’ve been hearing for years that the DCNR was underfunded and that we needed to raise the cost of a hunting license …..is this not true?


A tax is something you have to pay, you will not have to buy the license.


you have to pay a TAX when you buy cigarettes, that you don't have to buy either.

But the difference is that you still choose to smoke or bait. Just like this proposed bill. You have to rent bowling shoes, or buy your own when you go bowling, after paying the fee to bowl. Is that a tax? There are examples everywhere. You have to buy the popcorn from the movie theater or break their rule and sneak it in. Is that a tax?

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: 7mmMag] #2043471
03/01/17 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted By: 7mmMag
If you don't want to bait , then don't. NO $15.00 fee needed.
I still won't hunt over it myself, but geez, you guys take things to the outer limits with the rants.....


^^^^this^^^^


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Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: Randy74] #2043473
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Originally Posted By: Randy74
I could care less on the corn issue. Make it legal or illegal; that doesn't really bother me. Having hunted where you can bait, I did not see that much difference nor did we have issues on the lease. We also didn't just have sections to hunt. We tried to spread feeders out across the property and hunted like normal. We weren't all trying to sit over a feeder. I think it can be used and obviously will be abused but it's not a magic bullet in my experience.

The $15 is complete BS. I pay a tax when I buy the corn; they can work out how to take some of that with the state but I shouldn't have to pay again to pour it out. It's like me paying taxes when I buy ammo and then they tell me I have to pay another $15 to use that ammo to deer hunt. It's not our problem if they can't manage their finances and divide the tax money how it needs to be divided and this $15 will not help that. The baiting can be debated all you want but their lack of leadership is not up for debate. They have shown they have none.


I understand your point. But the sales taxes you pay on that ammo does not goto the DNCR. it goes to the general fund. The DCNR get's no general fund money.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: therealhojo] #2043474
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Originally Posted By: therealhojo
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: therealhojo
Originally Posted By: CNC
Originally Posted By: BhamFred
ya'll do realize it is just another TAX????


I’ve been hearing for years that the DCNR was underfunded and that we needed to raise the cost of a hunting license …..is this not true?


A tax is something you have to pay, you will not have to buy the license.


you have to pay a TAX when you buy cigarettes, that you don't have to buy either.

But the difference is that you still choose to smoke or bait. Just like this proposed bill. You have to rent bowling shoes, or buy your own when you go bowling, after paying the fee to bowl. Is that a tax? There are examples everywhere. You have to buy the popcorn from the movie theater or break their rule and sneak it in. Is that a tax?


Nope, movies aren't a constitutional right in the state of Alabama. Hunting is.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: pcamper] #2043481
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Any nobody is stopping you from hunting.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: 7mmMag] #2043484
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Originally Posted By: 7mmMag
If you don't want to bait , then don't. NO $15.00 fee needed.
I still won't hunt over it myself, but geez, you guys take things to the outer limits with the rants.....


Some of us are talking about hunting club issues, which you may not have to deal with, so congrats to you. But a lot of hunters are in clubs. This crap will cause problems, period. It will cause stupid changes just like some posted above.

Whether we are pro-baiting or not, doesn't matter, we are saying to just make it simple. Legal or not. Move on.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: BruteX] #2043504
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Originally Posted By: BruteX
Not all government is bad. Some entity has to ensure herd management and ensure herd survival. It's our job to elect people who will be good stewards with the responsibility they have.


Chuck Sykes is over herd management and herd survival. When and how did the people vote and elect him and when in hell is the next election?

I want change anything I do now if this passes so I'm kinda neutral on it.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: 7mmMag] #2043506
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Originally Posted By: 7mmMag
If you don't want to bait , then don't. NO $15.00 fee needed.
I still won't hunt over it myself, but geez, you guys take things to the outer limits with the rants.....


These kind of posts make me scratch my head. Do you really have that much faith in the government and the DCNR to believe that when you pay that $15 it's going to directly impact the health of the deer herd in Alabama? Or that they are going to take that money and hire more GWs? I sure don't. I'm ALL for the DCNR enacting regulations that will GROW the deer herd in Alabama. So far in the last few years they've given us a worthless game check system and extended the season to feb 10 in areas where we didn't need it. So, like I said. I wish the GWs good luck on finding my feeders and writing me a ticket next year. May the odds be ever in their favor.



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Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: BhamFred] #2043566
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
ya'll do realize it is just another TAX????


why hell no ,,,, it's aaaaaaaaaaaa . user fee wink !!!!!!!!!! rofl

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: pcamper] #2043588
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Holy $hit this is getting deep.

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: centralala] #2043619
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Quote:
Chuck Sykes is over herd management and herd survival. When and how did the people vote and elect him and when in hell is the next election?


DCNR commissioner (Guy) is appointed by the governor, as are the members of the Conservation Advisory Board. DCNR's Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Director (Sikes) is hired, not elected. This mirrors most other state wildlife/fish agencies throughout the country.


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Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: pcamper] #2043623
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A baiting permit reminds of those ADEM permits required to build certain infrastructure across wetlands. You can pollute all you want, so long as you buy the right permits.


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Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: Clem] #2043646
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Originally Posted By: Clem
Quote:
Chuck Sykes is over herd management and herd survival. When and how did the people vote and elect him and when in hell is the next election?


DCNR commissioner (Guy) is appointed by the governor, as are the members of the Conservation Advisory Board. DCNR's Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries Director (Sikes) is hired, not elected. This mirrors most other state wildlife/fish agencies throughout the country.


Yes, I know all that. The other guy was talking of the officials we elect in charge of herd management. I WISH THEY WERE ELECTED!!!

Re: Baiting now Legal? [Re: pcamper] #2043648
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Oh. Sorry. I figured you knew but wasn't sure. Others probably didn't know, though.


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