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Re: any one hear anything about Senate reviewing the baiting bill being to day
[Re: muddybucks]
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03/14/17 03:45 PM
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lefthorn
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Anyone got any news on where this thing stands??
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Re: any one hear anything about Senate reviewing the baiting bill being to day
[Re: muddybucks]
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03/16/17 10:30 AM
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bamapanic
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I just called down there. Lady on the phone transferred me to Senate Bills line. Go figure they are adjourned for the day.
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Re: any one hear anything about Senate reviewing the baiting bill being to day
[Re: muddybucks]
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03/20/17 02:02 PM
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timbercruiser
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Funny how he states right off the bat that he is against baiting and then he tries, poorly, to tell why it is bad, bad, bad. He quotes the QDMA, the same people that yelled SHOOT DOES, SHOOT DOES, SHOOT DOES until it really hurt the population of deer. He doesn't say anything about the states that have legal baiting that don't have a disease problem. Then there is the part about baiting not having any effect on the harvest totals and then saying baiting might decimate the deer population. Dumb ass.
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Re: any one hear anything about Senate reviewing the baiting bill being to day
[Re: timbercruiser]
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03/21/17 08:03 AM
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Corn feeding doesn't do anything for deer. it is just like feeding sugar candy to a child.
I have no problem with folk feeding protein pellets or whatever that protein deer chow is in the non deer season. That is good for deer and helps boost antler growth. If it wasn't so much year round work to do so I would be doing it. I find it easier to just plant spring and summer food plots with high protein plants.
I also have no problem with corn for killing hogs as they are just a nuisance animal and I have no objection to killing them in any way possible - night hunting included.
Corn pile hunting and corn feeder hunting to me though is just a violation of hunter honor code, hunter ethics and fair chase. That is my honest truly held belief on the matter.
We need to be teaching young and new hunters true woodsmanship skills and everything about the outdoors, forest, habitat, animals, etc, not teaching them that deer hunting is sitting in a shooting house in front of a pile of corn.
I think that a lot of people think that being able to legally hunt over a corn pile is going to magically get them the kind of buck that they see on the hunting shows on the Outdoor Channel. And get it fast - just by hunting one or two or three weekends and poof, they get a magic 5.5 year old 145 inch buck, thanks to corn. I don't think that is a realistic expectation at all. Or a right mentality.
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Re: any one hear anything about Senate reviewing the baiting bill being to day
[Re: muddybucks]
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03/21/17 10:28 AM
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not going to argue th ethics of hunting over corn but do you really believe that corn is no more beneficial to deer than , say, cardboard??? NO protein, no carbs, nothing???
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: any one hear anything about Senate reviewing the baiting bill being to day
[Re: WmHunter]
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03/21/17 10:56 AM
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mman
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Corn feeding doesn't do anything for deer. it is just like feeding sugar candy to a child.
I have no problem with folk feeding protein pellets or whatever that protein deer chow is in the non deer season. That is good for deer and helps boost antler growth. If it wasn't so much year round work to do so I would be doing it. I find it easier to just plant spring and summer food plots with high protein plants.
I also have no problem with corn for killing hogs as they are just a nuisance animal and I have no objection to killing them in any way possible - night hunting included.
Corn pile hunting and corn feeder hunting to me though is just a violation of hunter honor code, hunter ethics and fair chase. That is my honest truly held belief on the matter.
We need to be teaching young and new hunters true woodsmanship skills and everything about the outdoors, forest, habitat, animals, etc, not teaching them that deer hunting is sitting in a shooting house in front of a pile of corn.
I think that a lot of people think that being able to legally hunt over a corn pile is going to magically get them the kind of buck that they see on the hunting shows on the Outdoor Channel. And get it fast - just by hunting one or two or three weekends and poof, they get a magic 5.5 year old 145 inch buck, thanks to corn. I don't think that is a realistic expectation at all. Or a right mentality. Is it the nutritional value of corn or hunting over specific types of food that you have a problem with? Wheat plants = Ok Oat plants = Ok Clover = Ok Corn = Ok if planted and bushhogged but not OK if bought and dumped Roasted Soybeans??? As you indicated, mature bucks are not going to come running in to corn piles. So, what the harm in hunting over one? If someone wants to waste their time in hunting using an unproductive method, then let them. If baiting becomes legal, let's suppose a hunter does this. They carry in a small bag of say, roasted soybeans with them when they go in to hunt. They then place some on the ground in their shooting lanes, not to draw deer in, but to possibly stop them when they cross so they can judge them more accurately or for a shot. They have scouted and done their homework and know where the deer travel so they are not trying to truly bait them, they just want to stop them. Would this make them lazy or unethical? I know this may not be the norm, but not all baiting may be bad, IMHO. I think the lazy would be seldom rewarded, but if it is gone about smartly, it could be advantageous. Just a thought.
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Re: any one hear anything about Senate reviewing the baiting bill being to day
[Re: muddybucks]
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03/21/17 11:04 AM
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From Deer and Deer Hunting pros and cons for feeding corn.
The use of corn while deer hunting is a topic that spawns passionate arguments. Here some facts to consider when using corn.
Pros
Probably the biggest reason for corn’s popularity as a feed ingredient can be found in its nutrient profile. Energy, in the form of carbohydrates and fats/oils, make up the largest dietary need for all animals. Corn has a fat content of approximately 4 percent and is loaded with carbohydrates in the form of highly digestible starch. This combination makes corn akin to rocket fuel in terms of energy value.
When deer consume corn, it is rapidly digested by specific rumen microbes that feed largely on starch. The acids produced by this fermentation process can drop the pH in rumen by an amount proportional to the amount of corn consumed. If consumed in large amounts, the microbes responsible for fiber digestion (cellulose and hemicellulose) decrease in number due to lack of food and decreased pH.
The longer corn is consumed, the more the rumen microbial population shifts to a higher percentage of starch digesting microbes and the lower the pH will drop. As long as this process occurs gradually — and at least some forage or fiber is present in the diet — the deer’s rumen will adjust and few problems will occur.
Cons
If the corn is immediately taken away or no longer available following "slug" (binge) eating and deer return to a high fiber diet, the rumen microbial population cannot effectively digest the fibrous foods. Deer will effectively have little to no nutrients until the rumen population can adjust to the high-fiber diet. In essence, a type of starvation occurs.
Many diseases are spread via contact — whether directly or indirectly. So, the argument of a corn “pile” increasing the odds of spreading disease is a valid point, especially if practicing “slug” feeding. This will result in corn being present for multiple days, allowing several deer to use the same pile and increase the chances of disease transmission.
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