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Out of curiosity, what would a guesstimate cost be for hiring, training supplying equipment -- apparel, ammunition, firearms, tasers?, other -- annual training and certification, and liability insurance to create a "security team" or Private Police or whatever it's called for a school of +/- 2,000?

I could see it maybe being less for a church, which would have services and meetings less frequently than a school and have school activities. Would this Private Security/Police force be engaged at events such as sporting events, drama performances, anything held on school grounds OR -- big word here -- OR when a school function is off-grounds?

Football team travels to a game elsewhere in Alabama or out of state. Does the Private Police/Security team go with them? If so, are they able to perform any kind of security duties off school grounds?

Going back to the OP, if this is created for the church does that same hold true? If the church has a trip -- elderly folks going on a day trip to the botanical gardens, for example, or a youth trip to the beach -- does the Private Police/Security team travel with them and have any enforcement ability?

Lot of potential liability questions and situations IMO for them to consider.

The church has twice the membership of the school. Main building has Functions from 6:30 am to 10:00 pm practically every day: multiple ministries, elementary school, a seminary, two different international chirches, civic events, private events, etc... The Jr High and High School are on a completely different campus 10 miles away.

It would help some to fully understand the church from an activity perspective.

As I understand, our single part time security who is former LEO would become full time with full certifications as required plus and part time officers as needed...rather than hiring off duty police like we do now. One guy, one car. Part timers for Sunday and Wednesday and special events.

I can't see why there is any fuss, discussion, or controversy. If a private college had their own police force, no one would ever think twice.

Because it's a church and as we've already seen here, the libs go apenuts about "church and state" and "security forces" and guns and protection and whatnot.

I'm not for it because I don't like the idea of a mosque starting a private police force.

If they can only enforce state and federal law on their private property, what's the issue?

not to mention not an issue unless you plan on going in the mosque

Or any other property the mosque might own.

Then why are you repeating them? Btw I think we're on the same side of this.

Unless you attend or are a member of this church or have children in their school, why do you even care, how does it affect you, should you have an opinion?

Let's say a mosque owns a pay-to-park lot in the middle of downtown Tuscaloosa. On the weekends, people pay to park, and go to the restaurants and bars. Any of y'all think college kids are gonna be happy about getting detained, breathlyzed and arrested by the Islamic police force?

literally sounds exactly like something the Tuscaloosa Police Department would already do. Especially if some MIP's can get thrown around

Sorry for the confusion but I thought my reference to liberals would be a clue. There is not "separation of church and state" enumerated in the constitution as the liberals have tried to re-define the wording of the constitution to suit their agenda. Similar to how they cannot understand the meaning of the words "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Have you read Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson's musings on that matter?

Nope. Why don't you enlighten us with their musings.

You could start with federalist paper #10

Gee, there are so many variables involved in this it would be hard to say. I do know that several years back I was asked to look into Valley Grande, just north of Selma starting their own department. After crunching some numbers I concluded that they were better off hiring part-time help that was off duty from other agencies. A few years later a new mayor asked another LE professional to do the same. His conclusions were the same as mine. I can't remember the numbers, but starting a PD is expensive. Everyone must be APOSTC certified and have 12 hours of training annually and pistol qualifications at least annually. We qualified twice a year with firearms. that is duty weapons, back up weapons, shotguns, and rifles. Ammo costs as I recall for about a 50 officer agency was $7000 per qualification according to our budget.

Like I said Baptist Hospitals in Montgomery and Prattville started their own PD but after a couple of years realized it was a buttload of cash so they went with contract security. Well rent-a-cops weren't the answer so they went with something in between. Now their security, of which I was one of for awhile after I graduated, is made up of APOSTC certified officers, retired APOSTC certified officers, or former military police. They are armed and qualify annually and attend LE training sessions such as the nationally mandated ALERT training. The only difference between the security and having your own PD was the arrest power, but that wasn't a big deal since even with arrest power, the arrestee will be turned over to a local jurisdiction for booking.

We ran into the situation where our local junior college had their own PD. However, when something happened they wanted to call us, the local PD to handle all the transporting and paperwork. We had to tell them "No, you wanted to have the same powers as us, so you are going to have to handle it." We assisted them and backed them up when needed, but we weren't going to do their work for them. I can see the same thing happening up there. I know police officers and how they think and work. this is an issue they had better address up front.

I've been in the business for a long time and studied it even longer and the benefits that I can see from this are so minimal compared to the extra costs that I just don't see it as a positive for the church or school. I think a well trained, professional security force would be better all around for this situation. It's their money though, so more power to them.