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Coyote Color Variations
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05/18/17 05:06 AM
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Look at how different these two yotes look. They were taken from the same property. Is it true that western coyotes mixed with red wolves and we have hybrids of the two? Is the redder color variation in the one dog caused from that influence? Not only the color….but even the eyes seem to have a little different look about them. I just thought it was interesting how different they looked. Both are females. Yote #1  Yote #2  Yote #1 again…….  Yote #2 again…… 
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/18/17 05:56 AM
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Central Alabama
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The main difference that I see is that yote #1 looks pissed and #2 looks scared. Those first two pics are really cool.
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/18/17 06:34 AM
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[img:center]http://  [/img] This one was from a pretty urban area and looked to me at least to have some domestic dog in him from the thicker head and muzzle and legs. It is neat how they are all so different.
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/18/17 06:45 AM
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Clanton
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We had some in marion junction when i hunted down there that were way bigger than yotes. I hole heartedly believe they had a lot of red wolf in them.
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/18/17 09:31 AM
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Montgomery, AL
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most of mine look about like that. [img:center]  [/img]
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/18/17 09:33 AM
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had this one a few years ago, never saw him other than on camera. [img:center]  [/img] [img:center]  [/img]
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/18/17 03:02 PM
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We seen a solid black one last week. https://www.newscientist.com/article/209...-just-a-hybrid/Mix it up
The eastern and red wolves showed no evidence of independent ancestry; their genomes could be explained solely by admixture between coyotes and grey wolves.
Previous, less comprehensive studies have found genetic and morphological reasons to recognise these wolves as separate species, and others have shown that they seem to be hybrids. Wayne’s study is unlikely to settle the matter. However, it is the highest-resolution look at the problem so far, says Roland Kays of the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences in Raleigh.
If Wayne’s team is correct, it could spell trouble for the red wolf. The US Endangered Species Act makes no mention of hybrids, so the red wolf might lose its protected status – and the millions of dollars spent on captive breeding and recovery programmes.
That would be unfortunate, says Wayne, because the hybrid red wolf’s small size may mean it is better adapted than a pure grey wolf to life in the south-eastern US.
“Maybe we can’t put a grey wolf in the American south-east,” says Wayne. “Maybe the top predator has to be a smaller wolf.”
The red wolf’s situation shows that the Endangered Species Act needs to catch up to reality, says Kays. “What we’re finding with today’s high-resolution genetic tools is that hybrids are everywhere,” he says. “To say it’s a hybrid, so it’s not worth protecting, just doesn’t work anymore.”
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/19/17 01:41 AM
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Awbarn, AL
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icducks.......I've seen one that looked anything close to that mounted one. That's pretty cool. It looks like it cross bred with a Corgi.  It actually looks real wolfy in the face? Do you mind sharing where it came from?
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/19/17 04:15 AM
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CNC looks like it may have to do with them coming out of their winter coats and putting on the summer coat You may be onto something with the coat change but I still think there’s something going on there will different bloodlines. Here’s another one from the same property. It shows a LOT of red and is pretty much completely red faced. That’s more than just difference in summer and winter coats isn’t it? 
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/19/17 05:11 AM
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We seen a solid black one last week. https://www.newscientist.com/article/209...-just-a-hybrid/Mix it up
The eastern and red wolves showed no evidence of independent ancestry; their genomes could be explained solely by admixture between coyotes and grey wolves.
Previous, less comprehensive studies have found genetic and morphological reasons to recognise these wolves as separate species, and others have shown that they seem to be hybrids. Wayne’s study is unlikely to settle the matter. However, it is the highest-resolution look at the problem so far, says Roland Kays of the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences in Raleigh.
If Wayne’s team is correct, it could spell trouble for the red wolf. The US Endangered Species Act makes no mention of hybrids, so the red wolf might lose its protected status – and the millions of dollars spent on captive breeding and recovery programmes.
That would be unfortunate, says Wayne, because the hybrid red wolf’s small size may mean it is better adapted than a pure grey wolf to life in the south-eastern US.
“Maybe we can’t put a grey wolf in the American south-east,” says Wayne. “Maybe the top predator has to be a smaller wolf.”
The red wolf’s situation shows that the Endangered Species Act needs to catch up to reality, says Kays. “What we’re finding with today’s high-resolution genetic tools is that hybrids are everywhere,” he says. “To say it’s a hybrid, so it’s not worth protecting, just doesn’t work anymore.” “Maybe we can’t put a grey wolf in the American south-east,” says Wayne. “Maybe the top predator has to be a smaller wolf.” The day they introduce grey wolves around here is the day I stop going to the woods.
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/19/17 05:49 AM
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For you yote trappers there’s a set they show in that book that I haven’t seen before in any of the Youtube videos and such. I thought it was pretty cool. It’s a “bank set”. Basically you find a 5-7 ft tall bank or something along those lines and make a set at the top right near the edge……..as if the yote is on top of the hill approaching the dropoff. You place your bait right on the edge of the drop off and use some kind of structure….trees, bushes, whatever to funnel the yote to it. Your trap is set back I think it said 20 inches from the bait. Once the yote steps in the trap it falls off the bank and hangs there immobilized. Kinda like so…….. 
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/19/17 06:51 AM
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icducks
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icducks.......I've seen one that looked anything close to that mounted one. That's pretty cool. It looks like it cross bred with a Corgi. It actually looks real wolfy in the face? Do you mind sharing where it came from? I killed it about 1/2 mile from the city limits of albertville. Taxidermist said he was 99% sure it was crossed with a dog. Said he had never seen one like it. I shot it for a coyote at dusk and when I got to it thought I had shot someone's dog.
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Re: Coyote Color Variations
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05/19/17 01:29 PM
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Look at how different these two yotes look. They were taken from the same property. Is it true that western coyotes mixed with red wolves and we have hybrids of the two? Is the redder color variation in the one dog caused from that influence? Not only the color….but even the eyes seem to have a little different look about them. I just thought it was interesting how different they looked. Both are females. Yote #1 Yote #2 Yote #1 again……. Yote #2 again…… Those seem pretty small. Is that the average size that you see?
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