Seriously,I would like to give my 13 year old daughter a chance like that. Shoot me a PM a bit later if that's something that might be possible.

I take her with me but she hasn't connected yet. I have some small private property to hunt but don't plant fields.I catch a few in crossing but too many days not seeing anything get hard for a young girl.

Will do. I've got two daughters myself. It's extra special when they get one. I'd love for your daughter to get her a buck or doe

Wow, this thread has changed since I last visited:

Some comments:

Thief on the cross died under the old law. The new law didn't take effect until after the death of Jesus - Hebrews 9:15-17

Today, there is but ONE baptism - Eph 4:5

Baptism "in the name of the Lord Jesus" is baptism in water - Acts 8:12,16

Preaching Jesus includes instructions for water baptism - Acts 8:35-36

Baptism is an act of Faith - Gal 3:26-27

Baptism is the ONLY way to get INTO Christ (Rom 6:3-4, Gal 3:27)

Baptism is how one calls on the name of the Lord - Acts 2:21, 38, Acts 22:16 - Only examples of anyone calling on the name of the Lord.

And in language so plain that you have to have help to misunderstand it: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, he that believeth not shall be condemned. - Mark 16:16

This verse tells what it takes to be saved or what to do to be condemned.

If I said, He that eats and digests shall receive nourishment, but he who doesn't eat shall starve. Does anyone have trouble understanding that??? Will anyone argue that digestion is unnecessary and unimportant?

Baptism for the wrong reason is not valid - Acts 19:2-5

Acts 2:38 shows us the first time people were baptized in the name of the Jesus and it was "for the remission of sins".

This same Greek phrase is used in Matt 26:28 where it says that Jesus' blood was shed "for the remission of sins". Did Jesus shed his blood because everyone's sins were already forgiven? Of course not!!!

Why didn't Peter tell them you don't have to "do" anything? What would you have done if you were in the crowd?

At Jesus' death, his side was pierced and out came blood and water - Jn 19:34. We come in contact with the death (where the blood flowed) of Jesus when we are baptized (water) - Rom 6:3-4. Blood and water. Guess what shadow of things to come was required for one to enter the tabernacle under the old covenant? Blood and water. Where was the laver of water? In between the alter where the blood was shed and the door of the tabernacle.

It's no wonder that Peter said that our baptism in water saves us. The power is not in the water but it is an appeal to God - I Pet 3:21.

I know some may try to "explain away" all of these clear passages. Why? Because these passages are in conflict with what they believe and therefore can't mean what they say. As clearly seen already, if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. Read them for yourselves like you are reading them for the first time. Remove prior teaching and bias. Don't try to make the passages fit what you already believe but make your beliefs fit scripture.

Matt 28:18-20, Jesus has all authority. He wants his disciple to teach, baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and teach them to go do the same thing he had just commanded them. Man cannot baptize another person in the Holy Spirit. That was a promise and never a command. This baptism by the authority of Jesus (in Jesus' name) was water baptism, as already shown, and is perpetual. It was first carried out in Acts 2 and continues today. There is but one baptism today - Eph 4:5.

MANY sincere folks will be lost:

Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

I'll believe what Jesus told the thief, who wasn't baptized to be saved and enter heaven.

serious question about the thief on the cross, does the Bible clearly state if he died before or after Jesus?

as is usual, lots of folks in this thread do not realize the english words baptize/baptism have different meanings in koine greek (the main language of Jesus' time) for different contexts. the word baptism as written in english in the bible does not always mean water baptism. look it up, please ...

I've already mentioned that. It just falls on deaf ears.

The conversation had veered away from literally declaring which style of music we like, so my answer was about church culture, not music. Even if it had stayed on topic, one's preference of music isn't really about "music", it's about which church culture we like (Be honest, most old people like traditional, most young people like contemporary--it's a culture thing). If pressed, I would say I like contemporary music and church services better (I'm 43, middle aged).

And R.H., all I'm saying is not having a systematic approach to teaching the scriptures is the surest way to be uncontextual and eisegete. I don't like topical preaching, and that's what you get when you're in one passage today, another book next week, another the following week. Those type sermons usually start off with an inferred meaning, you use proof-texts from other books that aren't even about what you're teaching this week, and so forth. Why do preachers do this??? You wouldn't read nor teach any other book this way.

I know buddy,and I mostly agree with what you are saying,or at least to the point that I would say that you can make scripture say pretty much anything you want it to say by just picking a few out of context.

My dumb comments about music two weeks from Sunday was just my weird sense of humor.

1 Peter 3
20who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through [the] water. 21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him

In your simplistic view this is proof that water saves a person. That is far however from what Peter is saying according to several Greek scholars.

Peter uses baptism in water showing that it is a representation of salvation just as Noah and his family escaping through water was a representation of salvation. Noah and his family weren't saved from hell by a boat ride any more than we are by being submerged in water.Their salvation was a representation in the physical,just like water baptism is a representation in the physical.They were saved from the physical by water.

Peter goes on to confirm this with his statement that baptism doesn't cleanse the filthy flesh in a literal sense,or in the metaphorical sense as cleansing for the soul,but what is necessary Peter says is a good conscious toward God accomplished by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The debate over music, is common now days in all church's. It's sad really but I have been told music will destroy a church faster than anything else. I must say I am beginning to believe it. On the subject of baptism I believe acts 2:38 makes it clear enough.

Well R.H. you read your scholars ideas and commentaries all you want. It was asked earlier if God would have prevented the Bible from being written incorrectly. If so then the majority of all translations plainly state the necessity of baptism are correct. They were translated by scholars as well. So which scholars do you believe. Both can't be correct since they convey different priorities

Y'all don't quit now. Somebody gotta win this thing.

I have been victim of that scenario more than once.

We're good!

I never said the translation was wrong.The scholars I've read never said the translation was wrong. You are reading it wrong leaving out two very important parts of the verses in order to get the meaning you want.

You leave out the phrase "the like figure" which precedes "baptism now saves us". This phrase refers to the same way in which Noah was saved in the Ark. This being an act in the physical illustrating God's mercy. When we are baptized,it is just that,an act in the physical illustrating God's mercy. Baptism is an act in the physical, for all to see that which has taken place in the believer.

You also leave out the phrase, "not putting away of the filth of the flesh,but the answer of a good conscience toward God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ", This phrase clearly shows that Peter is making it plain that the physical act is not that which saves,but it is the phrase you left out which saves. You leave both these very important phrases out of your interpretation in order to get your interpretation of the scripture to mean simply "baptism now saves us,water saves us.", and then you stand your ground and proudly proclaim the bible says right here," baptism saves us,water saves us" when in fact you have left out the majority of the verses in the actual scripture from your interpretation of the scripture, to reach that conclusion.