Simple direct question.

Do you and/or church of Christ hold the belief that if I am not baptized while believing that act of baptism saves me, then I am going to hell?

Romans 10:9-10

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

The word baptized is a Greek word that simply means immersed. It was never translated from the Greek. It didn't mean a religious ceremony to them as it does to us. John was immersing believers in the Jordan.Actually John wouldn't baptize anyone until they had repented and been saved. You see this when he asks the Pharisees to show fruits worthy of repentance if they want to be baptized.

Notice how many times the scriptures say that we must be baptized (immersed) in Christ.It is absolutely necessary that we be immersed,(baptized) in Christ to be saved. It doesn't say that we must be immersed in water to be saved,though water is often used to symbolize being buried with Christ. Notice how the scriptures confirm exactly what I am saying. Notice how we are immersed (baptized)into Christ. Paul is not talking about being dunked in water.

Romans 6:3-5King James Version (KJV)

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Well said

R H Clarke may I ask what denomination you belong to? By the way the body of Christ isn't a denomination.

Why can't you worship God in your car while traveling to work, why is that classified as entertainment? Is it only worship if there is no music? I believe I can worship God anywhere just the same as I can pray anywhere. That doesn't negate the need for joining with the Body of Christ for congregational worship.

I guess y'all aren't going to answer a direct question so I'm out. It has been a good discussion but I see why Aldeer does NOT have a religion sub forum

Bout to enter a popcorn-induced coma

Sure, I never went anywhere more than a handful of times growing up. Mostly Freewill Baptist,but I've been to Catholic and Church of God. I got saved in my back pasture after a night of partying when I was 29. The first thing I know God told me was to read the Bible. I read a lot of the OT and had read most of the NT when I decided I should be baptized(ironic isn't it,and I think everyone saved should be water baptized).

I started calling churches and no one would say that they would baptize me if I came to church. I finally just went to the Freewill Baptist I had been to more than any other growing up. I asked to be baptized that first day. It took them about 3 weeks. I attended every service but I didn't like what I was hearing every service because it was different from what I was reading in my Bible.

I got baptized and then asked about the baptism of the Holy Spirit which I was reading about. They gave me their handbook and I read it and never went back. Not long after, I went to a Non Denominational church and those are what I have attended every since.

If you are COC I suppose I sounded harsh. I only do so however because of some of the hurtful things I've seen from that group. As a whole however the members have been like most other Christians ,Just good people trying to follow after God to the best of their ability. It's not the people I'm against. It's some of the doctrine. In one instance that baptism doctrine caused a man I was ministering to in prison, to try to commit suicide because a COC preacher told him that it didn't matter what he did he was going to Hell because he couldn't get baptized in Prison. Maybe he could have been baptized but that's not the point,because he felt betrayed anyway.He felt none of his repentance or crying out for God to save him meant a thing according to that COC preacher,so he said to he11 with it and took a bunch of pills he bought from other inmates.

Sorry for the long answer .I just felt like it needed to be said.

Christianity is a relationship with Christ. The things I do to enrich that relationship being baptized, reading the Bible, prayer, and so on. I will do. I like the radio station that plays the contemporary Christian music. In church I prefer the traditional. Kindness counts.

I took a break from this discussion. I wasn't ignoring anyone. Let me say this. When I was baptized the first time I only did it because my brother wanted to be so in my mind I said why not. Fast forward years later God put it heavy on my heart that I had done it for the wrong reason so I was baptized a second time. Immediately the doubt left when I came up out of the water. If you doubt your baptism wasn't done in the right frame of mind then get dunked and remove all doubt.

No church doctrine. We just take the Bible as written. We will not go against the Bible and follow man's interjections. It doesn't mean we don't love our fellow man
Or respect them. Some people are only following what they have been taught. What mom,dad,grandparents etc. The Bible wasn't written in a way that you have to be a holder of a PhD. It's plainly written for those who attempt to understand it.

Because the Bible says so and that's the only rule book for the church and sinner.
Easy to understand,easy to read if one will put forth the effort. I would suggest not reading commentaries which are man's opinions. I would also suggest not taking everything spoken by a preacher to be fact unless you fact check what's said in scripture. Look what happened to the chosen people(Israelites) they followed tradition and priests and were blind in doing so. We're their hearts on God? We're they correct? No, but the followers kept on with tradition for a large part . That's why Paul preached to the gentiles.
Any argument that cannot be backed up by scripture is man's opinion.

If you take the KJV and look at it in a simplistic fashion ,then yes,you can make a good argument that it says baptism is necessary.

If however you actually understand salvation,grace,and faith from a biblical view,and you understand that the KJV is only a translation flawed at many times,you can understand that when the scriptures say baptism they aren't always talking about what you think baptism is. Baptism doesn't always mean water baptism,most of the time it does not. If you also spend decades studying original languages,you will have a better understanding and come to the conclusion that water baptism is only a symbol of the true baptism into the body of Christ.

If however your denomination holds to the simplistic view,and will not look at any other,you will never dig deep enough to learn anything else because you would be going against your denomination. When all is said and done it is my opinion that for many such as these their denomination is more important than the truth,and has become the only truth they will see.

I go to the same church now after spending the first 26 years of my life in the same one. I like the vast majority of songs that are sung/played there, but the ones I'm on the fence about have more to do with flow/wording that the instruments. I think that people have different tastes, and that is A-OK, but churches need to modernize without getting outside the Bible.

The same could be said of your view as well. Can't believe the Bible as written?
It was translated by people into English that were far above any of today's language pros.its obvious you won't change and neither will I. It's not "denomination" following as you suggest but Bible following. I grew up Baptist and know all what's taught. Some is biblical,some is not. Nobody's perfect! But on the issue of what's required to be saved the Bible is the only authority. To me the other bickering is not important if in one is saved the scriptural way.Gods way!
I follow no man made Creed's,doctrines etc. I follow God's word. I have to live with my decisions just like every one else does. I'm not trying to push my beliefs on anyone but explain why I believe what's written.
If I'm correct in the scriptural instructions for being Saved( which I'm confident baptism is the final step to contact the saving blood) then my bases are all covered. To all the others ideas of being Saved without baptism if on judgement day it's revealed you were wrong then it's too late.

Back to the original posters question I like the older songs and newer ones. I doubt any of the songs sung today are anything like the ones in the apostles time as far as content and delivery

Then there's no reason to say anything else about it is there? If you wanted to change your mind there's enough information available that will correctly explain the scriptures for you to do so. I've looked into it for years and concluded differently than you. If you have looked for yourself and concluded differently than me,that's fine,but I would at least want anyone to do that,rather than just following church doctrine.

Yep no reason for either of to say anything else. I have self control do you? You always seem to want the last word in any biblical discussion. I've studied the scripture as well. I'm 51 years old and have studied for a long long time. As stated I follow no denominational rules just the Bible. I do agree that all people should not get stuck on blindly following any "church" if it's not tested and proven by scripture.Ok I'm through with this discussion if you are. Let's get back to deer!

You got any tied out this year? I ain't no spring chicken either,49,which is why I'm so stubborn.

Haha us old folks do be stubborn. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen a few Doe's running around but nothing impressive on racks. Last year was the worst ever for not seeing deer. Probably drought related. I'm hoping this year will be better cause I like to eat deer as well as hunt. If we see more activity this year and you need some meat let me know. I'll put you in a shooting house overlooking a field. Bout a 200 yd shot to the field.