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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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I am completely outraged that I did not bang any of the hot teachers while I was in high school. heck, we didn't even have any hot teachers...
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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Let it all out Zkd22.
When you have a defense attorney & a retired police officer who is married to a teacher agreeing that a particular piece of legislation is garbage then it probably is.
Those two about the most extreme opposites when it comes to laws you can get and they're in agreement.
I've never said that I agree with or support teachers having sex with students, I have said that I want accurate and thought out laws.
That is a big difference.
Oh ya I've been really pleased with my first chainsaw, fires right up and cuts nicely.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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I am completely outraged that I did not bang any of the hot teachers while I was in high school. heck, we didn't even have any hot teachers... We had several knock outs.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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08/11/17 08:01 AM
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Teachers shouldn't be held to a higher standard when it comes to banging school kids? It's not like they are in close quarters and in a position of authority over young impressionable students...  You know who that girl is don't you? Jodys ex wife Wow. I knew she looked familiar. Just could not place her.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Geno]
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Does this law change apply to homeschoolers?
/crossthreading/
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Clem]
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Does this law change apply to homeschoolers?
/crossthreading/ Gross  . They probably do it in those big homeschooler Dodge Ram vans.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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Let it all out Zkd22.
When you have a defense attorney & a retired police officer who is married to a teacher agreeing that a particular piece of legislation is garbage then it probably is.
Those two about the most extreme opposites when it comes to laws you can get and they're in agreement.
I've never said that I agree with or support teachers having sex with students, I have said that I want accurate and thought out laws.
That is a big difference.
Oh ya I've been really pleased with my first chainsaw, fires right up and cuts nicely.
If you need it that black and white then I don't want you to educate my kids. I have an education degree. Go read the Alabama code of ethics for teachers. It's real simple and if a person can't abide by that then it's pretty obvious they need to choose another career path. I see this deal like police shootings. I have multiple speeding tickets and haven't been shot yet. Do what police say and don't get shot...Don't frak your students and don't get arrested.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Zkd22]
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08/11/17 08:51 AM
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Let it all out Zkd22.
When you have a defense attorney & a retired police officer who is married to a teacher agreeing that a particular piece of legislation is garbage then it probably is.
Those two about the most extreme opposites when it comes to laws you can get and they're in agreement.
I've never said that I agree with or support teachers having sex with students, I have said that I want accurate and thought out laws.
That is a big difference.
Oh ya I've been really pleased with my first chainsaw, fires right up and cuts nicely.
If you need it that black and white then I don't want you to educate my kids. I have an education degree. Go read the Alabama code of ethics for teachers. It's real simple and if a person can't abide by that then it's pretty obvious they need to choose another career path. I see this deal like police shootings. I have multiple speeding tickets and haven't been shot yet. Do what police say and don't get shot...Don't frak your students and don't get arrested. I have no problem with teachers being arrested for messing with students. I think what has been missed is the disagreement with the text of the law. From what I understand, it basically says in any instance it is treated as someone exercising power over another person increasing the severity of the punishment when that isn’t always the case. Since it isn’t always the case it shouldn’t be treated that way. Plain and simple.
I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There�s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. � Ronald Reagan
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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08/11/17 09:01 AM
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Does this law change apply to homeschoolers?
/crossthreading/ Very clever! And no, it does not apply. We homeschooling parent teachers are free to bang all the legal consenting age students we can. (JK) LOL and SMH at the same time  
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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Does this law change apply to homeschoolers?
/crossthreading/ Very clever! And no, it does not apply. We homeschooling parent teachers are free to bang all the legal consenting age students we can. LOL and SMH at the same time Lol I still want my large Dodge van comment to be appreciated.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Geno]
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08/11/17 09:04 AM
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I was avoiding the van comment, lol
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Zkd22]
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08/11/17 09:04 AM
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Let it all out Zkd22.
When you have a defense attorney & a retired police officer who is married to a teacher agreeing that a particular piece of legislation is garbage then it probably is.
Those two about the most extreme opposites when it comes to laws you can get and they're in agreement.
I've never said that I agree with or support teachers having sex with students, I have said that I want accurate and thought out laws.
That is a big difference.
Oh ya I've been really pleased with my first chainsaw, fires right up and cuts nicely.
If you need it that black and white then I don't want you to educate my kids. I have an education degree. Go read the Alabama code of ethics for teachers. It's real simple and if a person can't abide by that then it's pretty obvious they need to choose another career path. I see this deal like police shootings. I have multiple speeding tickets and haven't been shot yet. Do what police say and don't get shot...Don't frak your students and don't get arrested. A teacher being fired for having sex with a student and being charged with a felony are not the same. If you screw a 16,17,18 year old at the local high school, it is no crime. If a teacher in Birmingham has sex with a 17,27 or 18 year old from Huntsville, they are subject to a felony conviction and a life time registration as a sex offender. That, whether you like it or not, it a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. No other profession has a similar law. Not a police officer, doctor, Judge, or garbage man. There is absolutely no requirement in the law as it is written to require the school employee have any influence, or even contact with the student in the school. This law applies to every school employee, not just teachers. A 19 year old school janitor having sex with an 18 year old student would be a felony. No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and lose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: straycat]
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08/11/17 09:04 AM
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I was avoiding the van comment, lol  I don't blame you.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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08/11/17 09:21 AM
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Let it all out Zkd22.
When you have a defense attorney & a retired police officer who is married to a teacher agreeing that a particular piece of legislation is garbage then it probably is.
Those two about the most extreme opposites when it comes to laws you can get and they're in agreement.
I've never said that I agree with or support teachers having sex with students, I have said that I want accurate and thought out laws.
That is a big difference.
Oh ya I've been really pleased with my first chainsaw, fires right up and cuts nicely.
If you need it that black and white then I don't want you to educate my kids. I have an education degree. Go read the Alabama code of ethics for teachers. It's real simple and if a person can't abide by that then it's pretty obvious they need to choose another career path. I see this deal like police shootings. I have multiple speeding tickets and haven't been shot yet. Do what police say and don't get shot...Don't frak your students and don't get arrested. A teacher being fired for having sex with a student and being charged with a felony are not the same. If you screw a 16,17,18 year old at the local high school, it is no crime. If a teacher in Birmingham has sex with a 17,27 or 18 year old from Huntsville, they are subject to a felony conviction and a life time registration as a sex offender. That, whether you like it or not, it a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. No other profession has a similar law. Not a police officer, doctor, Judge, or garbage man. There is absolutely no requirement in the law as it is written to require the school employee have any influence, or even contact with the student in the school. This law applies to every school employee, not just teachers. A 19 year old school janitor ha song sex with an 18 year old student would be a felony. No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. This! Good analysis Scott. Alabama has a long history of really poorly written laws, poorly thought out laws, and so on. Even when they are trying to do a good thing, it is amazing how bad they screw it up. It is as if common "if then" logical analysis is not even considered. Pointing our how a law is poorly written is not the same thing as taking a position favoring teachers abusing power and acting immorally with students. That is why it is sometimes required for lawmakers to vote no on a good intended bill IF there is bad portions or bad amendments to it. The bad over weighs the good intention.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. There it is. Zkd22 you made a childish hodgepodged attempt to twist my writings. Next time, don't put words in peoples mouths.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Geno]
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OK, in all seriousness with this one:
A teacher in Alabama has a consenting relationship with a high school student in another state, where the student is of legal age of consent AND the teacher has zero jurisdiction, employment, influence or anything. For whatever or however reasons, this Alabama teacher and other-state-student hooked up.
According to the Alabama law in question, this teacher could still be fired and/or prosecuted?
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