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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Clem]
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08/11/17 10:24 AM
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OK, in all seriousness with this one:
A teacher in Alabama has a consenting relationship with a high school student in another state, where the student is of legal age of consent AND the teacher has zero jurisdiction, employment, influence or anything. For whatever or however reasons, this Alabama teacher and other-state-student hooked up.
According to the Alabama law in question, this teacher could still be fired and/or prosecuted?
Under the letter of the law as it is currently written, yes. Here is what 13A-6-81 says. A person commits the crime of a school employee engaging in a sex act with a student under the age of 19 years if he or she is a school employee and engages in sexual intercourse as defined by Section 13A-6-60(1) or deviant sexual intercourse as defined by 13A-6-60(2) with a student, regardless of whether the student is male or female.  Consent is not a defense to a charge under this section. Here is 13A-6-82 a) A person commits the crime of a school employee having sexual contact with a student under the age of 19 years if he or she is a school employee and engages in sexual contact, as defined by Section 13A-6-60(3), with a student, regardless of whether the student is male or female.  Consent is not a defense to a charge under this section.  The crime of a school employee having sexual contact with a student is a Class C felony. (b) A person commits the crime of a school employee soliciting a sex act with a student under the age of 19 years if he or she is a school employee and solicits, persuades, encourages, harasses, or entices a student to engage in a sex act including, but not limited to, sexual intercourse, as defined by Section 13A-6-30(1), deviate sexual intercourse, as defined by Section 13A-6-30(2), or sexual contact, as defined by Section 13A-6-30(3).  The crime of soliciting a student to perform a sex act is a Class A misdemeanor. And here is the definition of a "school employee" under 13A-6-80. You will note, it has no requirement that the school employee and the student be from the same school, county or state. (a) For purposes of this article, school employee includes a teacher, school administrator, student teacher, safety or resource officer, coach, adult volunteer in a position of authority or any other school employee who has contact with a student in his or her official capacity as a school employee.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: AU7MM08]
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08/11/17 10:32 AM
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. There it is. Zkd22 you made a childish hodgepodged attempt to twist my writings. Next time, don't put words in peoples mouths. Next time defend yourself and don't wait on doekiller and others to say it and then claim it. It wasn't hodgepodged...I can't stand your ass and aldeer was better before you got on here. I know you like black and white so maybe that is clear enough for you. Running your mouth will get your ass burned too. You say "childish" is stating I don't want teachers screwing students but I feel like ridiculing someone with cancer fits that bill so much better. Grow up junior you have a lot to learn about life. It's not near as easy and "free" as you and your people want it to be. I'm done on here but if you need anything else you can call me at 256-466-6210. The message board don't need you wasting space defending yourself when you don't have a leg to stand on
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Zkd22]
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08/11/17 10:34 AM
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. There it is. Zkd22 you made a childish hodgepodged attempt to twist my writings. Next time, don't put words in peoples mouths. Next time defend yourself and don't wait on doekiller and others to say it and then claim it. It wasn't hodgepodged...I can't stand your ass and aldeer was better before you got on here. I know you like black and white so maybe that is clear enough for you. No need to bring race into this...
I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There�s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. � Ronald Reagan
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. There it is. Zkd22 you made a childish hodgepodged attempt to twist my writings. Next time, don't put words in peoples mouths. Next time defend yourself and don't wait on doekiller and others to say it and then claim it. It wasn't hodgepodged...I can't stand your ass and aldeer was better before you got on here. I know you like black and white so maybe that is clear enough for you. No need to bring race into this... I didn't
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Zkd22]
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08/11/17 10:44 AM
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. There it is. Zkd22 you made a childish hodgepodged attempt to twist my writings. Next time, don't put words in peoples mouths. Next time defend yourself and don't wait on doekiller and others to say it and then claim it. It wasn't hodgepodged...I can't stand your ass and aldeer was better before you got on here. I know you like black and white so maybe that is clear enough for you. No need to bring race into this... I didn't It was a joke.
I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There�s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. � Ronald Reagan
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. There it is. Zkd22 you made a childish hodgepodged attempt to twist my writings. Next time, don't put words in peoples mouths. Next time defend yourself and don't wait on doekiller and others to say it and then claim it. It wasn't hodgepodged...I can't stand your ass and aldeer was better before you got on here. I know you like black and white so maybe that is clear enough for you. No need to bring race into this... I didn't It was a joke.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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08/11/17 10:51 AM
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. Been a gud one next year)
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: GomerPyle]
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08/11/17 10:52 AM
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and loose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state. pretty much this.... is it sleazy and immoral, no doubt. should it cost them their jobs, sure. should it be a CRIMINAL issue when the student is an otherwise-legal consenting "adult", absolutely not. There it is. Zkd22 you made a childish hodgepodged attempt to twist my writings. Next time, don't put words in peoples mouths. Next time defend yourself and don't wait on doekiller and others to say it and then claim it. It wasn't hodgepodged...I can't stand your ass and aldeer was better before you got on here. I know you like black and white so maybe that is clear enough for you. No need to bring race into this... I didn't It was a joke.
I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There�s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. � Ronald Reagan
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: doekiller]
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08/11/17 12:49 PM
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No one I know supports teachers having sex with students. I think they should be fired and lose their license. But, they should not be subject to a prison sentence and a lifetime registration as a sex offender for conduct that is 100% legal for every other person in the state.
This is exactly how I feel about it and have for quite some time.
If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus one day, so I never have to live without you.---Winnie the Pooh
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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08/11/17 01:07 PM
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If a grown man were to scout high schools for the hottest female teachers and try to enroll, would he get arrested for stalking? Asking for a friend Probably would since he would have to pass himself off as some overweight Benjamin Button.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: hallb]
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08/11/17 01:14 PM
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I am completely outraged that I did not bang any of the hot teachers while I was in high school. I took advantage of EVERY opportunity. Even the not-so-hot teachers needed servicing.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: AU7MM08]
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08/11/17 03:17 PM
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Geno, you continue to remind me what a fkn liberal idiot you really are. Ooo that's a good one. You use the word liberal like liberals use the word racist. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong thus you reach for your go to word.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Geno]
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08/11/17 03:52 PM
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BTW, Scott said police officers don't have laws like this and they do. A police officer can not engage in sex with anyone in their custody, whether it is consensual or not. These laws are being written to include any profession in which it is thought that it has "control" over the other. The "control" is seen as a form of coercion, but this is already covered in Alabama law, so truthfully, a new law wasn't needed. It would have taken a lot of work to show coercion and prosecute though. Like I already said, it was a knee jerk reaction law and now they need to go back and amend it. The problem with letting it all be handled administratively is that if there is no law, particularly a felony law, it won't be investigated by law enforcement.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: jawbone]
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08/11/17 03:55 PM
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BTW, Scott said police officers don't have laws like this and they do. A police officer can not engage in sex with anyone in their custody, whether it is consensual or not. These laws are being written to include any profession in which it is thought that it has "control" over the other. The "control" is seen as a form of coercion, but this is already covered in Alabama law, so truthfully, a new law wasn't needed. It would have taken a lot of work to show coercion and prosecute though. Like I already said, it was a knee jerk reaction law and now they need to go back and amend it. The problem with letting it all be handled administratively is that if there is no law, particularly a felony law, it won't be investigated by law enforcement. But, that law regarding officers and someone in custody is not the same as the law with teachers. That law specifies a person has to be in that officers custody and it has nothing to do with the age of the person. A police officer can have sex with a 16 year old, not in their custody and it isn't a crime. A teacher and it is a crime.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
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It's just the same concept of control and coercion was my point. They are now nailing prison guards more regularly than teachers with the law.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: jawbone]
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It's just the same concept of control and coercion was my point. They are now nailing prison guards more regularly than teachers with the law. But the school employee sex law doesn't have any requirement of control or coercion. So the laws are not the same. Apples and oranges.
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Re: Judge rules state's teacher-student sex law unconstitutional
[Re: Geno]
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I think the intent was that the control and ability to coerced are implied which is a weakness of a poorly written law.
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