No, your not having a civil discussion. You, timbercruiser and tc have been on a year plus campaign to discredit AU and anything they have accomplished. I know from experience that your minds are made up based on your raising and there is no such thing as having an intelligent discussion with any of the above mentioned. I don't believe I have called any of you a name personally and have talked in generalizations. Anyway, I know nothing I say will change the BS you believe so have at it.