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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Clem]
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11/22/11 09:50 PM
11/22/11 09:50 PM
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Holy cow! Mark Bailey, a respected biologist and author of the story 49er posted, included this in his article:
"It is interesting to speculate about how the legendary "black" panther of the South came into our collective folklore but the fact remains that never in recorded history has a truly black cougar been photographed, captured, killed or otherwise factually documented."
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: gobbler]
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11/22/11 09:53 PM
11/22/11 09:53 PM
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cartervj
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No game cam pics, no verified sightings (taking the AON reward of $1,000), none killed on the hwy, none shot and never, ever, in the existence of the world, has there been a verified black (melanistic) mountain lion or panther (NOT jaguar as in above movies). They exist in the wild somewhere, just probably not AL. However, I know so many folks have seen them, I think they ought to have a season on them I'm not trying to say there is a breeding population, I know a big black cat got out of a pen near the Shoals. There used to be, maybe still is a big cat sanctuary near Rogersville. Does anyone know what happened to the 2 mountain lions in that guys basement in Sheffield? There are many many pens around NW AL and SE AL, not sure what all they contain but so far we have seen the elk/red stag killed in Gurley, had a cow elk killed over by Uncle Joes on Hwy 72 a few years back. Don't forget the Sitka deer killed. I know it goes against Biologist theory but they also used to argue about yote predation on deer and their pack mentality not being a possibility. anythings possible and have shown how it is possible some could be seen, the neighbors cats are elusive when they come over to eat and they are really tame
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 09:54 PM
11/22/11 09:54 PM
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There is also rumors of Red Wolves still around
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 09:57 PM
11/22/11 09:57 PM
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doecommander
things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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Clem............Have you ever saw one billion dollars in dimes? Does anyone have a picture of a billion dollars in dimes? Does anyone care what you think?
doecommander out...........................
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 10:01 PM
11/22/11 10:01 PM
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Clem
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No one cares what you think, either.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 10:02 PM
11/22/11 10:02 PM
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doecommander
things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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things that make you go hmmmmmmm
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Great 5 year old comeback.
doecommander out...........................
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Clem]
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11/22/11 10:02 PM
11/22/11 10:02 PM
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Holy cow! Mark Bailey, a respected biologist and author of the story 49er posted, included this in his article:
"It is interesting to speculate about how the legendary "black" panther of the South came into our collective folklore but the fact remains that never in recorded history has a truly black cougar been photographed, captured, killed or otherwise factually documented."
but see that is where it gets sideways, Big Black Cats do exist no matter what their DNA is lion or leopard reports of big black cats in the wild exist all over the world just like the yeti, yet we do have evidence big black cats are alive and well especially in zoos and pens reckon one might get out every now and then
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 10:03 PM
11/22/11 10:03 PM
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Clem
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Doecommander, you started it. Shut up or contribute.
Biologically, there is no evidence ever of a black panther. Period.
Last edited by Clem; 11/22/11 10:04 PM.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 10:10 PM
11/22/11 10:10 PM
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hopper35005
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yall boys got some big house cats down that way.....maybe yall need to clean the litter box more often
Let them walk ...and grow them big
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Re: Panther sightings
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11/22/11 10:17 PM
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Dallas, I grew up in Selma. I have hunted a lot of the land on 41 South from snow hill to minter to pleasant hill to pine barren, public and private. I have hunted Portland Landing and Tilden but the only cougars we ever saw were just past 89 41 intersection. In those days there was a green slate house on the right as you passed 89, on the right. The damn cats ran thru his front yard. I saw this occur 3 or 4 times with my daddy... we had to slam on brakes in his truck... We thought nothing of it and assumed everyone saw/knew what we knew..... I have also seen cougars on the donald land near pineapple while camping out bass fishing, about 1977-78..If memory serves me it is near 21 and 89 intersection by the old Bluebird Inn.. (black juke joint in the 70s)
Edited to add the only cougars I ever saw on the road was at 89/41 intersection. Beyond me and my father, others in the club saw them there also plus like us, along the dallas/wilcox county line/ pine barren creek area (private land, Miller lumber land, diamond tree cutter land)
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 10:24 PM
11/22/11 10:24 PM
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well ...i have been fortunate to be able to have hunting access in several places ....I have hunted and still hunt the following counties.....monroe,clarke,jefferson,walker,tuscaloosa,st.clair,lamar,and talladega...however i have not seen any cougars or panthers....do they exist ...I am sure they do ...however you cant make me believe they are in the wild in alabama
Let them walk ...and grow them big
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Clem]
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11/22/11 10:30 PM
11/22/11 10:30 PM
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Let 'em go so they can grow: Would it be worth a $1000 to kill these animals just to prove you saw them with your own eyes? Who would believe you if you said you took a picture like this anyhow? I have dreamed all my life of seeing proof like this of what I've heard about all my life. I don't think I'm alone. I'm not sure I would share it if I did. If a panther was killed in St. Clair County one year before I was born, then my grandparents may very well have been telling the truth about seeing them in Blount County in their younger days. They certainly understood the consequences of lying on Judgement Day. Did they see black panthers? I believe they surely thought they did. Could they have mistaken a brown panther for a black one in low light or after dark when the sightings most often occured? I certainly think so. Is it possible that melanistic panthers existed from time to time. I certainly believe it was possible.
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 10:37 PM
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doecommander
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More than 300 new species were discovered in the Philippines last Spring. Was there any evidence that they existed before. No. So all of you that say panthers don't exist, prove it. New Species
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 10:59 PM
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You can't prove that an animal "doesn't" exist in such a vast area as the whole state. The burden of proof is with those that say they have witnessed a large cat. This an article saying there's probably not a large cat population in Alabama since the above 1948 picture: http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/panthers08.cfmI think they make a good point that even though there aren't but a few bears in the state, we get road kills occasionally.
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 11:04 PM
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doecommander
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You can't prove that an animal "doesn't" exist in such a vast area as the whole state. The burden of proof is with those that say they have witnessed a large cat. This an article saying there's probably not a large cat population in Alabama since the above 1948 picture: http://www.outdooralabama.com/oaonline/panthers08.cfmI think they make a good point that even though there aren't but a few bears in the state, we get road kills occasionally. Maybe black panthers have learned to look both ways before crossing. The Feds said that Florida Panthers don't migrate this far north also. Tell that to the fellow that shot one in Georgia. He is still paying fines.
doecommander out...........................
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/22/11 11:11 PM
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gobbler
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No one can say what animal has escaped from a pen. Most folks figure that "black panthers" existing in the wild are exactly that - wild. If it is an escapee, we could have jaguars - black and/or spotted, but no one continually says they see spotted cats - always seems to be the elusive black panther. If we are talking about escapees, we could have elephants or zebras in AL.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: doecommander]
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11/22/11 11:18 PM
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More than 300 new species were discovered in the Philippines last Spring. Was there any evidence that they existed before. No. So all of you that say panthers don't exist, prove it. New Species Not hard to hide these in the ocean and roadless steep terrain: dozens of new insects and spiders, deep-sea armored corals, ornate sea pens, bizarre new sea urchins and sea stars, a shrimp-eating swell shark, and over 50 colorful new sea slugs. Many of the new species avoided previous detection because of their diminutive size, such as goblin spiders, sea slugs, and barnacles that all measure just a few millimeters in length. Others simply exist in places that are rarely, if ever, visited by humans, such as a snake eel from the bottom of the ocean and a primitive plant called a spikemoss from the dangerously steep upper slopes of Mt. Isarog. Kinda hard to hide a 200 lb cat with a 200 sq mi home range in Alabama.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: gobbler]
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11/23/11 05:17 AM
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we could have elephants or zebras in AL. If I see a zebra in my food plot I'm taking my kids gun and going for a head shot. No way I could shoot an elephant, I'd get kicked out of the REC and it'd probably break the electric winch in my shed anyway.
not sure what the best way to handle them is but they shouldnt be on tv and gettn married and raisin kids
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Re: Panther sightings
[Re: Remington270]
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11/23/11 08:35 AM
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http://www.easterncougar.org/pages/beyondsightings.htmWhy then, is the eastern cougar listed as an endangered species?
By the 1960s and early 1970s, a few cougars had been killed in the wild east of the Mississippi River, and many people claimed to have seen them. Based on these circumstances, and a now outdated cougar classification, the United States Fish & Wildlife Service (USFWS) listed the subspecies as endangered in 1973 under the newly created Endangered Species Act. However, recent genetic evidence from eastern Canada has revealed apparently wild cougars with Latin American ancestry. We now believe most of the cats appearing in the eastern United States since the 1960s have either escaped or have been deliberately released from the exotic pet trade. It appears likely they are not the scattered remnants of a native population.
Until the USFWS announces their pending review of the status of the eastern cougar, any cougar found in the East is protected both by federal and state regulations.
Are cougars now recovering in the East?
Not yet. Despite more sophisticated technology for finding cougars, and with more people looking than ever before, less evidence has appeared in the last decade than in the 1990s (perhaps because of recent strict legislation prohibiting interstate trade in exotic cats and new state laws prohibiting private ownership of such cats).
Sanctioned studies since the late 1990s by the CRF, research universities, and state and federal wildlife agencies in NY, NJ, PA, MD, VA, WV, and KY have failed to find evidence of cougars. Incidental evidence such as roadkills, accidental shootings or trappings, and photographs captured by privately owned remote wildlife cameras is nearly absent.
Even in Midwestern states with low or emerging cougar populations, incidental evidence appears with reliable frequency.
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