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Re: The Republican Tax Plan [Re: Remington270] #2280055
11/03/17 03:19 AM
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Corporate Rate cut permanently to 20%. - Thumbs up

Individual rates cut to 4 but the 39.6% max rate stays. - Thumbs down

Child Tax Credit giveaway increased to $1,600/kid - More free stuff

401(k) left alone and max contribution increased to 18.5K/yr - Thumbs up

Property taxes limited to 10K per year. - Stick it to the rich

Mortgage interest deduction cut in half for new home purchases over 500K in total debt. - Stick it to the rich

Alt Min goes away completely -

Estate tax exemption gets doubled immediately. Estate tax phased out in 6 years - Believe it when I see it. Doubling the Unified Credit is good though.

Foreign earned income rate cut to 12% for cash and 5% for non cash earnings. - Decent. Should bring some money back home.

No mention of the 25% rate for pass through entities. So where's the small business break they were talking about?

Overall I rate it a B+.

Re: The Republican Tax Plan [Re: Remington270] #2280062
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Small business tax breaks ain�t going to happen. If they were lower than income rates, everyone would just become �John Smith, LLC� and pocket the lower rates.

Re: The Republican Tax Plan [Re: hunterbuck] #2280066
11/03/17 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by hunterbuck
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Originally Posted by ElkHunter
[quote=hallb][quote=Ben2]I still like Senator Cruz Tax plan. Eliminate the IRS and 10% across the board. Sure would be easy


Me too!! But pipe dream unfortunately.


I am always amazed at the folks that think you can actually do away with the IRS.

Do you really think everyone will all of a sudden become honest and pay their taxes?


That's why a set sales tax (fair tax) on purchases across the board is a much better proposition.


Wrong again. The States have sales tax auditors all over the country trying to get businesses to pay their sales taxes. I would estimate that Alabama alone misses out on collecting at least 1/2 BILLION annually. So what makes you think everyone will pay it on the national level?
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I imagine that it would be easier to police the 28 million or so businesses than it would be to police all those businesses PLUS the hundred or so million individual taxpayers in the US...especially after eliminating all the layers of tax code. [/quote]

Yes and no. Most individuals don't hire lawyers to fight their cases. Big businesses keep them on staff to fight tax issues. The creation of the LLC has been a tax administrative nightmare. They come and go with the wind.


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Re: The Republican Tax Plan [Re: Remington270] #2280085
11/03/17 03:56 AM
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For those arguing a flat or sales type tax is not going to be enforceable or collections would be an issue...

Y'all do realize that right now I suppose it is estimated that 1/2 of Americans don't pay any Federal Tax. That's at least what is freely thrown around. People all over the country don't file a return. Illegals don't file a return. People cheat on their returns all day long when they do file and MOST of the wealthy have a good CPA and Lawyer that are smart enough to get them out of paying a lot of what they would otherwise owe. That's because the tax system is so convoluted there are loop holes everywhere.

If XYZ Company doesn't pay their federal sales tax.. that's why you have Auditors. And that's why they come in and look at your books. You can never eliminate fraud it doesn't matter what you do. These State and Local governments don't typically have the manpower in the form of Auditors to be able to police their jurisdictions. Why that is the case is a separate issue. But most do a poor job of this. Some do a great job.

In my opinion the Federal Government can police a tax collected at the point of sale a LOT easier than our current system. How could you say it is easier to police 100 million individuals filing returns? There is no way. That's my opinion.

Comsumption tax is the only way to go. Just think about all the money collected b back from Illegals at just a single Wal-Mart. They don't pay federal tax under the current system, but I bet some possibly file returns to get some back... eek


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Re: The Republican Tax Plan [Re: ElkHunter] #2280086
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Originally Posted by ElkHunter

Yes and no. Most individuals don't hire lawyers to fight their cases. Big businesses keep them on staff to fight tax issues. The creation of the LLC has been a tax administrative nightmare. They come and go with the wind.


So, again...even if businesses do nothing different, but there would be ZERO tax evasion by individuals.

Sounds better to me.


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Re: The Republican Tax Plan [Re: Remington270] #2280107
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its a steaming pile just as it was meant to be and here is how I can prove it... until they take care of the idiotic spending problem and at least operate on a balanced budget we are deficit spending and everyone's tax bill cant do anything but go up. you dont argue who owes what on the check until you get the bill and make sure its right. why do we continue to pay a bill for stuff we dont owe? these crooks arent going to stop robbing us blind until we make them. all the "youre a liberal" bickering damn sure aint gonna change that fact. I propose a tax strike. If the church can operate on 10% then the government better figure out a way too.


Go with the flow and you will end up down the drain!
Re: The Republican Tax Plan [Re: metalmessiah] #2280182
11/03/17 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by metalmessiah
its a steaming pile just as it was meant to be and here is how I can prove it... until they take care of the idiotic spending problem and at least operate on a balanced budget we are deficit spending and everyone's tax bill cant do anything but go up. you dont argue who owes what on the check until you get the bill and make sure its right. why do we continue to pay a bill for stuff we dont owe? these crooks arent going to stop robbing us blind until we make them. all the "youre a liberal" bickering damn sure aint gonna change that fact. I propose a tax strike. If the church can operate on 10% then the government better figure out a way too.


Let�s do a tax strike. You first laugh

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