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Re: Net neutrality [Re: Cactus_buck] #2337147
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Net neutrality is garbage and just another federal power grab. I don’t like 5 unelected government regulators between me and internet service. As I said on a thread the other day, the same arguments used for ACA were used for net neutrality. It’s just more regulation where fewer participants will get offered service because they have to offer the same exact service based on what the government wants.


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Originally Posted By: Recurve
It’s just more regulation where fewer participants will get offered service because they have to offer the same exact service based on what the government wants.


could you explain that a little further please


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I think I see why Goodman hunter is so upset....

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/12/19/n...xperts-say.html


Dammit man!

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Netflix and all of these other "providers" you are saying are going to be hurt or get more expensive - they all pretty much already have tiered packages with a range of costs. Shouldn't they just be neutral and give everybody everything for the same price? I can promise you they are all going to get more expensive regardless of net neutrality, that's their whole business model.

As far as the internet providers charging for certain types of bandwidth or content, I just don't see it happening. They already have packages that charge based on speed and total bandwidth usage and that's all any of that boils down to.

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Originally Posted By: hallb
Netflix and all of these other "providers" you are saying are going to be hurt or get more expensive - they all pretty much already have tiered packages with a range of costs. Shouldn't they just be neutral and give everybody everything for the same price? I can promise you they are all going to get more expensive regardless of net neutrality, that's their whole business model.

As far as the internet providers charging for certain types of bandwidth or content, I just don't see it happening. They already have packages that charge based on speed and total bandwidth usage and that's all any of that boils down to.


for the first paragraph, that is true. But there's also free sites that have same material. They will now be throttled down. You'll still be able to PAY for netflix and watch it.

for 2nd paragraph, If nothings gonna change or get cheaper and better as some believe. Then why all the fuss from verizion and at&t.


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Re: Net neutrality [Re: goodman_hunter] #2337214
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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
Originally Posted By: hallb
Netflix and all of these other "providers" you are saying are going to be hurt or get more expensive - they all pretty much already have tiered packages with a range of costs. Shouldn't they just be neutral and give everybody everything for the same price? I can promise you they are all going to get more expensive regardless of net neutrality, that's their whole business model.

As far as the internet providers charging for certain types of bandwidth or content, I just don't see it happening. They already have packages that charge based on speed and total bandwidth usage and that's all any of that boils down to.


for the first paragraph, that is true. But there's also free sites that have same material. They will now be throttled down. You'll still be able to PAY for netflix and watch it.

for 2nd paragraph, If nothings gonna change or get cheaper and better as some believe. Then why all the fuss from verizion and at&t.


Those "Free" sites you speak of are most likely illegal if I had to guess.


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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
Originally Posted By: Recurve
It’s just more regulation where fewer participants will get offered service because they have to offer the same exact service based on what the government wants.


could you explain that a little further please


Barriers to entry. Telecoms have too much power (I think we can all agree there). I also think we can all agree monopolies are bad and competition is good. However, if monopolies are bad, isn’t it even worse to trust the government which is a gigantic monopoly? I mean, they spent an amount that rivals nearly the first decade of Facebook’s operating costs to build a healthcare website that doesn’t work. I don’t like the power the telecoms have but the reason they have that power isn’t because of a lack of regulations like net neutrality.


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Those "Free" sites you speak of are most likely illegal if I had to guess.


aint it funny how folks fall back on government rugulations when it suits them, But i wasnt aware file sharing was illegal

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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
Originally Posted By: hallb
Netflix and all of these other "providers" you are saying are going to be hurt or get more expensive - they all pretty much already have tiered packages with a range of costs. Shouldn't they just be neutral and give everybody everything for the same price? I can promise you they are all going to get more expensive regardless of net neutrality, that's their whole business model.

As far as the internet providers charging for certain types of bandwidth or content, I just don't see it happening. They already have packages that charge based on speed and total bandwidth usage and that's all any of that boils down to.


for the first paragraph, that is true. But there's also free sites that have same material. They will now be throttled down. You'll still be able to PAY for netflix and watch it.

for 2nd paragraph, If nothings gonna change or get cheaper and better as some believe. Then why all the fuss from verizion and at&t.


I will also answer your question with a question, why was this not a big deal before Obama's FCC ever implemented "Net Neutrality"? All that was was a way for the federal government to get it's hands into controlling the internet.

My guess is we will see more partnerships and/or acquisitions between the major ISP's(verizon, at&t, comcast, etc) and the major content providers(Netflix, Facebook, etc). With the changing ways of how folks are receiving their content now - not just thru cable TV - then all of these big players will have to adapt to that and this is the start of it.

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answering with a question aint an answer. It was a problem with them throttling folks down so they(isp) were regulating the internet. They continued to do it after oboma even though they were illegal in doing so. Hard to stop big money though.


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I had my first customer to be affected by the repeal of net neutrality last week. This customer is in Raywood, TX and connects to their company in Jackson, MS through the internet. The VPN (Virtual Private Network) connection was down and I tried everything I knew to do get it back up. I finally called the customer and told them it was time to call their internet provider to see if they were having issues with their internet service. She was informed that due to the repeal that they were throttling the bandwidth and it wouldn't be back up to normal levels until the weekend. They were also checking to see if they were taking online payments in case they needed to raise their rates. A load BS if you ask me!


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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
answering with a question aint an answer. It was a problem with them throttling folks down so they(isp) were regulating the internet. They continued to do it after oboma even though they were illegal in doing so. Hard to stop big money though.


Ahh, so the government wanted to control how the bandwidth providers used their own product? Got it. The government nor the content providers own the "internet"(except in some rare cases). Corporations have laid or leased long haul fiber that connects you to Netflix, Netflix did not put that fiber in. The only part of that that Netflix is paying for, is what they use at their corporate offices or data centers. Otherwise, all of the subscribers pay for the bandwidth thru their ISP. Without those subscribers, there ain't much bandwidth use there. Now say that Netflix wanted to pay your ISP to give their data priority in order to provide a better user experience(and therefore maybe get a higher price point). Netflix could go ahead and include this in their already tiered offers, put it in the highest tier.

I don't really see how this is bad for the end user. It's not like something is going to happen that causes the base package of Netflix to cost $80 a month, b/c then there would be a lot less cable subscription for the ISP and a lot less Netflix subscribers. Yes, these companies are greedy and want to maximize their profits, but they ain't stupid enough to price themselves out of business.

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I don’t see how anyone who believes themselves to be a free market, limited government conservative/libertarian could agree with net neutrality. It’s socialism for the internet.


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Originally Posted By: Recurve
I don’t see how anyone who believes themselves to be a free market, limited government conservative/libertarian could agree with net neutrality. It’s socialism for the internet.


I keep seeing dems on Facebook say that the net neutrality regs made it a free market. Face meets palm every time.

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Originally Posted By: Recurve
I don’t see how anyone who believes themselves to be a free market, limited government conservative/libertarian could agree with net neutrality. It’s socialism for the internet.


I keep seeing dems on Facebook say that the net neutrality regs made it a free market. Face meets palm every time.


I know. They think unless the government does it that it isn’t right. Unbelievable


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It can be health care in a mask for you or anti government regulations or free market or any label you wanna put on it to make it easier to swallow. But the government was keeping it from being regulated and taxed. The big Corp is now allowed to regulate it and tax it. Now it ain't gonna hurt Goodman one way or another. Probably come out to the good actually. I work for a large computer company. If you wanna let the media tell you what to think then kudos to you.


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Oboma only passed them laws so the money got spread out right. It ain't like he cared otherwise. The government is gonna get there cut first anyways.


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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
It can be health care in a mask for you or anti government regulations or free market or any label you wanna put on it to make it easier to swallow. But the government was keeping it from being regulated and taxed. The big Corp is now allowed to regulate it and tax it. Now it ain't gonna hurt Goodman one way or another. Probably come out to the good actually. I work for a large computer company. If you wanna let the media tell you what to think then kudos to you.


So you let the media tell you what to think? Cause the media definitely thinks it's the worst thing since terrorism.

This is a simple concept. If the government touches it, it ain't a true free market. A free market with proper competition will right itself.

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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
But the government was keeping it from being regulated and taxed.


By definition, when the government tells someone what they can/can't do, that is regulation.


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