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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #233494
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DO NOT USE POISON. Dead eagles and other birds are the least of your worries. You could kill SOMEONE...much worse.

Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #233529
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After seeing what my labs can eat AND pass, I don't think a sponge would phase a coyote.


Take your kids hunting instead of hunting your kids.

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Originally Posted By: Matt Brock
DO NOT USE POISON. Dead eagles and other birds are the least of your worries. You could kill SOMEONE...much worse.


esp if yer talking about Timic..one of my neighbors used it to kill several neighborhood cats/kittens. A day er so later he was in the hospital, took him a month to die. Hard. Bad stuff for sure.

It will kill a yote, the opossum that feeds on it, the fox that eats the opossum, the buzzard that eats any of it.....AND THE ANTS THAT FEED ON ALL. Bad juju.

leg traps are the only way to effectively control yotes. Period.

troy


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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: bama7x57] #233596
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Originally Posted By: bama7x57
After seeing what my labs can eat AND pass, I don't think a sponge would phase a coyote.
laughup

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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #233770
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ok here goes. Years ago i learned this in survival school. Put a razor blade in the ground, poor blood around the blade. The yote licks it and lays down and dies right there drinking his own blood. They are carnivores. This works but is highly illegal. It will also kill cats and dogs. smirk

Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: North40R] #234071
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Trappers have been put out of business by our wonderful state game laws so now landowners are gonna have to pick up the slack and extra cost of learning to and trapping predators themselves! This is not easy or cheap if you truely wish to be effective!


Curious how trappers have been put out of business by game laws? The fur business went out because of the anti's protesting, etc. Game law says you can trap yotes year round and other furbearers during normal seasons? Not bashing, just questioning wink


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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: gobbler] #234090
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Looks to me like it's just the opposite.

Commercial trappers are allowed to lawfully trap protected fur-bearing animals in our state.

Trapping for the fun of it or to eradicate a nuisance species that is still protected by law as both a game animal and a fur-bearer (example: coyote) doesn't seem to jive with our game and fish laws:


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Section 9-11-245
Unlawful methods of hunting birds or animals protected by law or regulation.

No person shall at any time make use of any pitfall, deadfall, baited field, cage, trap, net, pen, baited hook, snare, poison, explosive, or chemical for the purpose of injuring, capturing, or killing birds or animals protected by law or regulation of this state. This section shall not prevent the trapping of animals classified as fur-bearing animals by a duly licensed fur catcher. It shall be legal to use a scaffold for gun hunting of all legal game species except wild turkey and to use a scaffold for bow hunting of all legal game species.
(Acts 1951, No. 1001, p. 1672, §2; Acts 1975, No. 195, p. 681, §1; Acts 1995, No. 95-563, p. 1174, §1.)

Section 9-11-59
License to capture or kill fur-bearing animals for commercial purposes; traps.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to take, capture, or kill, or to attempt to take, capture, or kill for commercial purposes by any means or device any of the fur-bearing animals protected by the laws or regulations of this state without first procuring a license therefor, to be issued in the same manner as is provided for hunting and fishing licenses. Any person who has been a bona fide resident of this state for six months next preceding may procure a resident trapping license by paying the sum of $7.65. Any person who has not been a bona fide resident of this state for six months next preceding may procure a nonresident trapping license by paying the sum of $500.15. Any resident or nonresident when trapping for beaver only shall not be required to pay a license fee. A trapping license shall be valid only during the season when fur-bearing animals may be legally taken.


Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #234097
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Eskimo has the best idea so far. I agree with 270wbymag, poisoning is NOT worth it. Trap them and "choot 'em!" That makes one kill and doesn't accidentally spread the lethality beyond your intent.


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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #234149
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Consistent, effective trapping is the best method.

Contact these people to find out how to get it done effectively.

http://atpca.org/default.aspx


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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #234164
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Thanks Clem.

Trapping probably is going to be the best method outside of a biological means, but don't count on fur sales being an incentive.

Color means an awful bunch when selling furs and the silver-grey ones bring the highest dollar. These dirty brown ones we have here are not much in demand. Not to mention the fur quality itself.

Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #234190
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trappers wern't put out of business because of game laws. Like gobbler said, no demand for furs, prices dropped, fell out the bottom, trapping virtually stopped.

There wasn't much yote trapping going on then anyway compared to coons, red fox, etc. They just didn't bring the money and coons were, are, a hell of a lot easier to trap.

In 1980-81 you couldn't find a dead coon, opossum, fox on the roads. Buyers were paying $5 for an unskinned road kill opossum, and gas wasn't so high either. LOTS of folks were making routes to pick up road kills before work.

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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: BhamFred] #234242
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
trappers wern't put out of business because of game laws. Like gobbler said, no demand for furs, prices dropped, fell out the bottom, trapping virtually stopped.

There wasn't much yote trapping going on then anyway compared to coons, red fox, etc. They just didn't bring the money and coons were, are, a hell of a lot easier to trap.

In 1980-81 you couldn't find a dead coon, opossum, fox on the roads. Buyers were paying $5 for an unskinned road kill opossum, and gas wasn't so high either. LOTS of folks were making routes to pick up road kills before work.

troy


And there were some people who were running trap lines before work. wink

I had weeks where I made more money trapping than I did from my job. A good bobcat would bring $75, and a fox would bring $45. A really good coon would bring $25.

When I am elected governor, I'll have a bounty of at least $200 on coyotes. I'm gonna put an army into the woods to rid us of this plague.


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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #234261
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Preacher, a LOT of folks were running lines before work, after work, all hours of the day and night.

I'd guess(long time ago) that probably 1/4 of the complaints I had then involved trespassing and illegal trapping. Lots of putting traps under every bridge over any size creek.

I remember good coons bringing $35. Seems everybody and their son, brother,cousin was trapping or picking up roadkills.


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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: BhamFred] #234272
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Preacher, a LOT of folks were running lines before work, after work, all hours of the day and night.

I'd guess(long time ago) that probably 1/4 of the complaints I had then involved trespassing and illegal trapping. Lots of putting traps under every bridge over any size creek.

I remember good coons bringing $35. Seems everybody and their son, brother,cousin was trapping or picking up roadkills.


I'm sure you did have a lot of trouble with rogue trappers. If my memory is right, they had to pass a law making it illegal to trap on the state or county ROW. Is that right?

I know there were guys running long lines of 100 miles or more that would set on the ROW, or just off it. I remember somebody having a trap right on the property line about 25 yds from our gate, and I had to let one of the neighbor's deer dogs out of it. I didn't mess with the trap because I thought it was his. I found out later that he didn't mess with it because he thought it was mine. Never did know who put it out. I heard similar stories a lot.


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Re: war now declared on my coyotes [Re: norman] #234273
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I remember when there was a $10 bounty on beaver tails turned in.

There were lots of trappers back then. Of course with inflation, $10 wouldn't be squat now.

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Ive been thinking about building a 10 x 10 pen with hog wire, cut a few smalls holes for the yotes to crawl through with snares set on each hole and gut each deer and throw the guts in the pen and hopefully catch the yotes coming through the fence


Would be great if it would work but I suspect that you would have a hard time convincing a yote to fall for this one!



I guess I could wait until they started coming before I put the snares out. If they didnt Ive got some fence building edumacation.


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That bounty idea sounds good to me. I try to kill every one of the mangey bastards I see but have only shot 4 in my life. I've probably only seen 5-6 while hunting. I'd love to see a $200 bounty on them, pups included. The rabbit/rat populaton would still be kept in check by foxes, birds of prey, and snakes. We don't need yotes for anything in my opinion.

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Originally Posted By: bamaeyedoc
That bounty idea sounds good to me. I try to kill every one of the mangey bastards I see but have only shot 4 in my life. I've probably only seen 5-6 while hunting. I'd love to see a $200 bounty on them, pups included. The rabbit/rat populaton would still be kept in check by foxes, birds of prey, and snakes. We don't need yotes for anything in my opinion.

Dr. B


And before anybody can ask how I expect to pay for this program, I'll go ahead and give you the answer - raise taxes on the rich. That works for everything.

With ideas like this, I think I've got a great chance to win. wink


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And before anybody can ask how I expect to pay for this program, I'll go ahead and give you the answer - raise taxes on the rich. That works for everything.

With ideas like this, I think I've got a great chance to win.


Would you appoint a Commissioner of the DCNR that insists on continuing to classify coyotes as protected game animals while at the same time calling them a nuisance species?

Oh yeah! I almost forgot to ask. Does your idea of taxing the rich include taxing rich churches?

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Originally Posted By: gobbler
Originally Posted By: North40R
Trappers have been put out of business by our wonderful state game laws so now landowners are gonna have to pick up the slack and extra cost of learning to and trapping predators themselves! This is not easy or cheap if you truely wish to be effective!


Curious how trappers have been put out of business by game laws? The fur business went out because of the anti's protesting, etc. Game law says you can trap yotes year round and other furbearers during normal seasons? Not bashing, just questioning wink
i agree, low fur prices caused a disinterest in trapping many years ago - what our state game laws regarding trapping have done is to make it more difficult to effectively control coyotes and hogs - most of these laws were put in place before we had a major coyote or hog problem - jaw size restrictions and limiting snares to water only were implemented because of pressure from dog hunters - both deer and bird - aldcnr needs to step up to the plate and change trapping guidelines to include non-lethal snares and traps with larger jaw spreads and laminated jaws, both of which cause very little damage when used properly

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