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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: Clem]
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Clem, to me and probably most of us, that is just a number with no meaning. Now if compared to the same exact day last year, those 2 numbers side by side take on a meaning. Then next year it will be 3 numbers side by side and so on each additional year. I have 2 predictions. The first to happen will be a doe limit. People needing to kill more will be steered toward DMP. this will happen within 5 years. Next, the buck limit will be reduced to 2. That will be beyond 5 years.
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Re: Game check stats to date
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Clem, do you think the 230-250k number was accurate and if so do you know how it was estimated? Accurate? Not with an estimate. But I don't believe hunters are killing a third of that number annually, either, like last year's total. I believe it's somewhere in-between. As for the doe limits and DMAP, and buck limits, those are givens after another 3-5 years of data compilation. Why else would they (like other states) be compiling "harvest" data.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: Clem]
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12/25/17 02:32 PM
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As for the doe limits and DMAP, and buck limits, those are givens after another 3-5 years of data compilation. Why else would they (like other states) be compiling "harvest" data. Do you think the data translated to us will be anything other than a reduction in limits? In other words, the data doesn't matter, the reduction is coming. Now I don't know if that's a good thing or bad. Where are we trying to get to? What I do know is another reduction in limits, right or wrong, is a GIGANTIC leap. How much $$$ are people willing to spend on a club with a 2 buck limit? How much BS will people put up with for 2 bucks? We are right on that fine line now of what legal hunters can and will do vs. the health of the herd.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: Clem]
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12/25/17 02:46 PM
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The harvest numbers since the 1960s were generated by an annual random survey. It only attempted to measure the harvest by licensed hunters. The harvest by hunters not required to have a license was not included in the estimate. I've never seen any facts presented to make me think it was not accurate within the margin of error that was included in the reports, but a lot of folks seem to think there was a problem with it. I never knew why. Dr. Ditchkoff defended it vigorously in this forum several years ago. Maybe he just doesn't understand statistics and there really was some terrible flaw with the study.
But GC records every deer that is legally killed, and that number should be higher than the hunter survey estimates. Instead, the GC numbers are running way behind. The dcnr guessed last season that only 35% of deer were reported. I assume they made that guess at least partially based on survey numbers from previous years. It could only be a guess; there is no way to scientifically measure compliance.
Hence my guess that somewhere between 60 and 80% of deer hunters are not following the law. I'd be the first to say it's just a guess. The actual number is unknown.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: mike35549]
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12/26/17 05:26 AM
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I knew you were gonna say that, are you a member of an anarchist group if not you would probably be a good candidate for one. Just be required to take the number before taking the deer. You act like you want to live in a land of make believe where nothing is required of anyone to run a business or just live in civil society. It's not like they would have to do anything that would require them to spend any money. If writing down a number on a piece of paper is to hard for someone to do then quit. No diffrent than they are required to get a business liscence. You are required to have a hunting liscence, a drivers liscence. Maybe you would rather we just did away with all requirements for every thing. Didn't have any laws regulations for anything. As a thought to you comment that may help understand. The STATE CAN PUNISH A PERSON FOR MOVING A DEER without WRITING A LITTLE NUMBER ON A PIECE OF PAPER FIRST. There are a number of thing wrong with that, the first and foremost is the unchecked control of the Government over the citizens that allow the government to exist! The second it is JUST A FREAKING DEER, no matter what the self anointed trophy (insert self anoint "mature" deer hunter if you like , they are one in the same) hunters want to believe! The State at one time believed that if a person wanted to place further restriction on the property they control more then they are welcome to it, but along comes QDMA (read we want the Government to force our ideas on everybody so we can make money selling our way or the highway, along with enough self anointed trophy/mature deer crowd) and voila chance for the government to "solve" the problem and grow larger and more powerful to RULE over the servants since they have been such a roaring success and all things government like Obamacare, the VA, Social Security, ad nauseum. But don't worry it is only good for society to be mashed like a little piss ant to make society better. Oh did I say, it's only a freaking deer!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Game check stats to date
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Boy the QDMA sure gets a bad rap these days....some say they are only interested in killing trophy bucks and some say they are all about killing every doe you see. My question is how many people have actually read their mission statement, studies and articles or do most get their information from someone that claims to be practicing QDMA?
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Re: Game check stats to date
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12/26/17 07:39 AM
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Do you think the data translated to us will be anything other than a reduction in limits? centralala, why else would there be any data collection if changes are not imminent? That's the point of numbers and management decisions. It's done in all states in some way. Alabama's just catching up with others that have required reporting and/or have had for years. As for a reduction or changes, nothing would surprise me.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: Clem]
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Do you think the data translated to us will be anything other than a reduction in limits? centralala, why else would there be any data collection if changes are not imminent? That's the point of numbers and management decisions. It's done in all states in some way. Alabama's just catching up with others that have required reporting and/or have had for years. As for a reduction or changes, nothing would surprise me. If they go by GC numbers they would have to close the season for a year or two lol , but in all reality I am sure they will not do anything drastic from the low numbers at least not with the doe harvest Now they might cut the buck harvest back to two or do antler restrictions for only God knows why but that seems to be the trend....
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: Clem]
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12/26/17 08:26 AM
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Do you think the data translated to us will be anything other than a reduction in limits? centralala, why else would there be any data collection if changes are not imminent? That's the point of numbers and management decisions. It's done in all states in some way. Alabama's just catching up with others that have required reporting and/or have had for years. As for a reduction or changes, nothing would surprise me. I'm saying changes are imminent with or without the data. I believe the biologist will do their job, take the data, draw a conclusion, and pass it on. At that point its out of their hands and into the political arena. What data was passed on to extend the north zone season? Do you really trust Sykes to ignore politics and go straight with what data says? NO WAY!! Some data will be used, some politics. We all know its going to happen and we can't change it. But we can expect the Director, whomever it may be at the time, to keep it weighed more toward data instead of politics. Sykes has proven where he stands. Data is good....until someone tells him what he's going to do. Until he is gone I feel data will be used as an excuse instead of a reason.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: bigt]
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12/26/17 10:55 AM
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Boy the QDMA sure gets a bad rap these days....some say they are only interested in killing trophy bucks and some say they are all about killing every doe you see. My question is how many people have actually read their mission statement, studies and articles or do most get their information from someone that claims to be practicing QDMA? Good, bad or indifferent QDMA was the first marketing rah rah (quite possibly bastardized by many noise makers) for all of the things that contribute to the current every deer has to be a giant, ever doe needs to be killed, ever piece of property should be managed in a certain way so everybody can only experience deer hunting the "best way" QDMA thinks it should be.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Game check stats to date
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12/26/17 11:13 AM
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You I knew you were gonna say that, are you a member of an anarchist group if not you would probably be a good candidate for one. Just be required to take the number before taking the deer. You act like you want to live in a land of make believe where nothing is required of anyone to run a business or just live in civil society. It's not like they would have to do anything that would require them to spend any money. If writing down a number on a piece of paper is to hard for someone to do then quit. No diffrent than they are required to get a business liscence. You are required to have a hunting liscence, a drivers liscence. Maybe you would rather we just did away with all requirements for every thing. Didn't have any laws regulations for anything. As a thought to you comment that may help understand. The STATE CAN PUNISH A PERSON FOR MOVING A DEER without WRITING A LITTLE NUMBER ON A PIECE OF PAPER FIRST. There are a number of thing wrong with that, the first and foremost is the unchecked control of the Government over the citizens that allow the government to exist! The second it is JUST A FREAKING DEER, no matter what the self anointed trophy (insert self anoint "mature" deer hunter if you like , they are one in the same) hunters want to believe! The State at one time believed that if a person wanted to place further restriction on the property they control more then they are welcome to it, but along comes QDMA (read we want the Government to force our ideas on everybody so we can make money selling our way or the highway, along with enough self anointed trophy/mature deer crowd) and voila chance for the government to "solve" the problem and grow larger and more powerful to RULE over the servants since they have been such a roaring success and all things government like Obamacare, the VA, Social Security, ad nauseum. But don't worry it is only good for society to be mashed like a little piss ant to make society better. Oh did I say, it's only a freaking deer! You and Clem hate everything that must be exhausting to be that agravated all the time. Since you hate all things government I am sure you and Clem are not going to partake in Medicare and Social Security when you get old enough to sign up. QDMA has always said kill does if you need to and don't if you don't need to. Some people either can't read or can't come comprehend what they read.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: bigt]
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You're really reaching, Mike.
I never said I hate everything. YOU did. I've never said I don't want rules-regs-laws. YOU did. I've never said that I would not abide by what we currently have; I may not be crazy about them but I abide by them.
Why would anyone want MORE put upon us, though? You obviously do.
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"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game check stats to date
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BTW, in the last year I've spoken with a couple of Conservation Advisory Board members and DCNR officials.
NONE wanted or want more regulations, rules or laws imposed on hunters. But they said they knew it was the way things were going and that if it worked out for better management then so be it.
Those horrible people must be hating anarchists who just hate America and are miserable, too.
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Re: Game check stats to date
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Updated stats: 32,823 Holiday deer hittin' the ground. https://game.dcnr.alabama.gov/Report/County/Deer
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Boy the QDMA sure gets a bad rap these days....some say they are only interested in killing trophy bucks and some say they are all about killing every doe you see. My question is how many people have actually read their mission statement, studies and articles or do most get their information from someone that claims to be practicing QDMA? Good, bad or indifferent QDMA was the first marketing rah rah (quite possibly bastardized by many noise makers) for all of the things that contribute to the current every deer has to be a giant, ever doe needs to be killed, ever piece of property should be managed in a certain way so everybody can only experience deer hunting the "best way" QDMA thinks it should be. As you said "bastardized" would be a good characterization. Everyone knows my thoughts on killing does by now but as a member of QDMA they only advocate shooting enough does to have the deer population below carrying capacity and they don't talk about trophy bucks rather they advocate taking mature bucks which every 3.5 buck is definitely not a trophy. I used to think the same way about the QDMA until I actually read their literature. A bunch of arm chair hunters are guilty of spreading their own management philosophies off as QDMA .
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: Clem]
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You're really reaching, Mike.
I never said I hate everything. YOU did. I've never said I don't want rules-regs-laws. YOU did. I've never said that I would not abide by what we currently have; I may not be crazy about them but I abide by them.
Why would anyone want MORE put upon us, though? You obviously do.
x2 Mike, is there anything wrong with MINIMUM laws, regulations and rules??
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: bigt]
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Boy the QDMA sure gets a bad rap these days....some say they are only interested in killing trophy bucks and some say they are all about killing every doe you see. My question is how many people have actually read their mission statement, studies and articles or do most get their information from someone that claims to be practicing QDMA? Good, bad or indifferent QDMA was the first marketing rah rah (quite possibly bastardized by many noise makers) for all of the things that contribute to the current every deer has to be a giant, ever doe needs to be killed, ever piece of property should be managed in a certain way so everybody can only experience deer hunting the "best way" QDMA thinks it should be. As you said "bastardized" would be a good characterization. Everyone knows my thoughts on killing does by now but as a member of QDMA they only advocate shooting enough does to have the deer population below carrying capacity and they don't talk about trophy bucks rather they advocate taking mature bucks which every 3.5 buck is definitely not a trophy. I used to think the same way about the QDMA until I actually read their literature. A bunch of arm chair hunters are guilty of spreading their own management philosophies off as QDMA . 
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Boy the QDMA sure gets a bad rap these days....some say they are only interested in killing trophy bucks and some say they are all about killing every doe you see. My question is how many people have actually read their mission statement, studies and articles or do most get their information from someone that claims to be practicing QDMA? Good, bad or indifferent QDMA was the first marketing rah rah (quite possibly bastardized by many noise makers) for all of the things that contribute to the current every deer has to be a giant, ever doe needs to be killed, ever piece of property should be managed in a certain way so everybody can only experience deer hunting the "best way" QDMA thinks it should be. As you said "bastardized" would be a good characterization. Everyone knows my thoughts on killing does by now but as a member of QDMA they only advocate shooting enough does to have the deer population below carrying capacity and they don't talk about trophy bucks rather they advocate taking mature bucks which every 3.5 buck is definitely not a trophy. I used to think the same way about the QDMA until I actually read their literature. A bunch of arm chair hunters are guilty of spreading their own management philosophies off as QDMA .
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