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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: bigt]
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12/26/17 03:04 PM
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mike35549
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Boy the QDMA sure gets a bad rap these days....some say they are only interested in killing trophy bucks and some say they are all about killing every doe you see. My question is how many people have actually read their mission statement, studies and articles or do most get their information from someone that claims to be practicing QDMA? Good, bad or indifferent QDMA was the first marketing rah rah (quite possibly bastardized by many noise makers) for all of the things that contribute to the current every deer has to be a giant, ever doe needs to be killed, ever piece of property should be managed in a certain way so everybody can only experience deer hunting the "best way" QDMA thinks it should be. As you said "bastardized" would be a good characterization. Everyone knows my thoughts on killing does by now but as a member of QDMA they only advocate shooting enough does to have the deer population below carrying capacity and they don't talk about trophy bucks rather they advocate taking mature bucks which every 3.5 buck is definitely not a trophy. I used to think the same way about the QDMA until I actually read their literature. A bunch of arm chair hunters are guilty of spreading their own management philosophies off as QDMA . For sure.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: Fun4all]
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12/26/17 03:08 PM
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mike35549
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You're really reaching, Mike.
I never said I hate everything. YOU did. I've never said I don't want rules-regs-laws. YOU did. I've never said that I would not abide by what we currently have; I may not be crazy about them but I abide by them.
Why would anyone want MORE put upon us, though? You obviously do.
x2 Mike, is there anything wrong with MINIMUM laws, regulations and rules?? No there is not. Alabama's hunting regulations are MINIMUM look up some of the regulations in other states.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Game check stats to date
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12/26/17 03:23 PM
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You're really reaching, Mike.
I never said I hate everything. YOU did. I've never said I don't want rules-regs-laws. YOU did. I've never said that I would not abide by what we currently have; I may not be crazy about them but I abide by them.
Why would anyone want MORE put upon us, though? You obviously do.
x2 Mike, is there anything wrong with MINIMUM laws, regulations and rules?? No there is not. Alabama's hunting regulations are MINIMUM look up some of the regulations in other states. So are you of the thinking that as long as we are less that other states it's okay for the State to add more just to be like the Jones as long as it is slightly less? Those other States didn't go from 1 law to the Encyclopedia Britannica in one fell swoop.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: burbank]
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12/26/17 03:45 PM
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I’m still amazed at how many folks bitch about game check.
Prepare to be amazed for years to come.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: burbank]
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12/26/17 03:51 PM
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I’m still amazed at how many folks bitch about game check.
Me to. Didn't you know it is the most complicated thing ever invented, and the next step in governments plan of taking away all your constitutional rights. If you don't believe that just ask a couple of the guys on here.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Game check stats to date
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12/26/17 03:55 PM
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Oh snap...
Clem & Fun4All: 28
Mike: 0
Blowout. If complying with GC and carrying a liscence is so difficult it takes all the fun out of hunting you are not qualified to keep score.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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12/26/17 04:02 PM
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leroycnbucks
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The harvest numbers since the 1960s were generated by an annual random survey. It only attempted to measure the harvest by licensed hunters. The harvest by hunters not required to have a license was not included in the estimate. I've never seen any facts presented to make me think it was not accurate within the margin of error that was included in the reports, but a lot of folks seem to think there was a problem with it. I never knew why. Dr. Ditchkoff defended it vigorously in this forum several years ago. Maybe he just doesn't understand statistics and there really was some terrible flaw with the study.
But GC records every deer that is legally killed, and that number should be higher than the hunter survey estimates. Instead, the GC numbers are running way behind. The dcnr guessed last season that only 35% of deer were reported. I assume they made that guess at least partially based on survey numbers from previous years. It could only be a guess; there is no way to scientifically measure compliance.
Hence my guess that somewhere between 60 and 80% of deer hunters are not following the law. I'd be the first to say it's just a guess. The actual number is unknown. I agree PCP with your assessment of the percentage of hunters not reporting to GC. I don’t know what the answer is but we are wasting valuable time. BTW I think some of y’all are being to rough on mike35549. He’s just voicing his opinion on what might work better than GC or help it. I’m sure he’s like the rest of us and just wants the our states deer herd to flourish so we can all enjoy for years to come.
Last edited by leroycnbucks; 12/26/17 04:11 PM.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: leroycnbucks]
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12/26/17 04:07 PM
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If The harvest numbers since the 1960s were generated by an annual random survey. It only attempted to measure the harvest by licensed hunters. The harvest by hunters not required to have a license was not included in the estimate. I've never seen any facts presented to make me think it was not accurate within the margin of error that was included in the reports, but a lot of folks seem to think there was a problem with it. I never knew why. Dr. Ditchkoff defended it vigorously in this forum several years ago. Maybe he just doesn't understand statistics and there really was some terrible flaw with the study.
But GC records every deer that is legally killed, and that number should be higher than the hunter survey estimates. Instead, the GC numbers are running way behind. The dcnr guessed last season that only 35% of deer were reported. I assume they made that guess at least partially based on survey numbers from previous years. It could only be a guess; there is no way to scientifically measure compliance.
Hence my guess that somewhere between 60 and 80% of deer hunters are not following the law. I'd be the first to say it's just a guess. The actual number is unknown. I agree PCP with your assessment of the percentage of hunters not reporting to GC. I don’t know what the answer is but we are wasting valuable time with this. BTW I think some of y’all are being to rough on mike35549. He’s just voicing his opinion on what might work better than GC. I’m sure he’s like the rest of us and just wants the our states deer herd to flourish so we can all enjoy for years to come. They are all for the betterment of the deer herd as long as there are not any laws or regulations you have to comply with while doing it.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: mike35549]
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12/26/17 04:09 PM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Didn't you know it is the most complicated thing ever invented, and the next step in governments plan of taking away all your constitutional rights. If you don't believe that just ask a couple of the guys on here. Extremism. Meh. Just because you want to have more government rules and regulations in your life doesn't mean everyone does.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: mike35549]
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12/26/17 04:10 PM
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bigt
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Oh snap...
Clem & Fun4All: 28
Mike: 0
Blowout. If complying with GC and carrying a liscence is so difficult it takes all the fun out of hunting you are not qualified to keep score. Boom....
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: mike35549]
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12/26/17 04:14 PM
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Oh snap...
Clem & Fun4All: 28
Mike: 0
Blowout. If complying with GC and carrying a liscence is so difficult it takes all the fun out of hunting you are not qualified to keep score. Not so much difficult as aggravating. If the data is inaccurate as many have proposed, then it is also an utter waste of time. Folks like you are the reason we are regulated to no end. Thank you, may I have another. And, I didn't say I have a problem carrying a license. However, I do find it troubling that I must obtain a license for a license exempt child.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: bigt]
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12/26/17 04:20 PM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Already jumped several hundred in the last few hours, to 33K+ https://game.dcnr.alabama.gov/Report/County/Deer
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: bigt]
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12/26/17 04:40 PM
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mike35549
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You can kill 3 bucks one of those has to have four on one side and 100+ does a year (in most of the state)and the only requirements are you have to buy a liscence unless you are exempt and report the kill on an app. Or call it in and write the number they give you on your liscence. The state of Alabama is completely out of control with all that them rules and regulations.
All BS aside and I like to BS as much as the next guy if that is to difficult for you then maybe you should quit hunting and take up something a little easier like------- well hell I don't know anything you could take up that would be easier. I guess sit at home and watch TV.
Last edited by mike35549; 12/26/17 04:44 PM.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: bigt]
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12/26/17 04:45 PM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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It's not about what exists. It's what you and others have said that you want: another layer of reporting, via processors becoming agents of the state.
What we have now isn't onerous. What you and others want is yet more regulation. Many of us don't want that. That's all.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game check stats to date
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12/26/17 05:25 PM
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The threat of a monetary fine and a court case only drives away and pisses people off.
Sir whack-n-stack speaks wisdom.
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Re: Game check stats to date
[Re: burbank]
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12/27/17 01:40 AM
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poorcountrypreacher
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I’m still amazed at how many folks bitch about game check.
I'm still amazed at how many folks are ignoring GC. I thought we would get 30-40% compliance the first year, and be running at least 50% by now. It's obviously not happening. I'm not sure what they can do to make it work. Usually, when people won't comply with a government edict, the government tries some form of punishment. I would assume that will be the thing they try next, but it's just a guess.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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