killing the dogs ain't the answer, nor is killing the dog shooter. I know of a fella still doing time from killing a dog shooter right on the front porch of his camphouse in front of a bunch of witnesses.

I agree PCP. I find it funny that the stand hunters should be OK with the dogs guys dogs on their lands.
Same old BS.."Dogs cant read signs". But how would they feel if the stand hunters were on the dog club still hunting their land?? I think theyd be upset about that.

Also, if you have a GPS and SEE your dog is on someone elses land..you should SHOCK them or something to make them turn around...not just keep watching til you hear a shot..then go running to where you last had the dog on your GPS ready to fight or shoot someone ON THEIR LAND over your IRRESPONSIBLE actions concerning your dogs.

It seems the dog hunters want the respect from the one side and the guys not shooting their dogs,..but they arent respecting the LANDOWNER at all and LET their dogs run on other folks land.

I was always taught respect is a TWO WAY Thing.

Yep. Did this fellar have a family? Bet it sucks telling his wife/kids or parents "I had to avenge ole blue!".

I think what should be pointed out. Even with the advancement of technology, at the end of the day, it's electronic equipment that can fail. Collers mess up, you forget to them on, whateverMost of the dogmen I know, they do everything they can to keep there dogs in check. But occasionally it happens. If they get out of pocket on you, they'll get out of range quick.

Hunting pine goats has gotten way too serious and complicated.

To start with, I never said anything about bringing a gun onto private property to confront someone for shooting a dog. I'm smart enough to know that is a felony , and I'm not sure I could control myself if I walked up on someone standing over my dog. And I do cherish my freedom. I am also smart enough to know that if you shoot an unarmed person, you will have a hard time claiming self defense.

Blowing Fido in two is a little more extreme than having a dog on your property "ruining your hunt". So yes, if dogs on your property bother you, you should let the GW handle it. If I ever have to go to a shot to look for my dead dog, I will involve law enforcement. They can write me a ticket for whatever I've done, and write the shooter a ticket for felony animal cruelty. But you can bet I'm going to do my dangdest to make sure my collar doesn't end up in the bottom of a pond and my dog doesn't get hauled off and dumped.

If you catch people looking for their dogs on your property while toting a gun, you should call the game warden. If you catch people deliberately casting dogs onto your property, you should call the game warden. Those people aren't called dog hunters, they are called poachers. IMO, that's a whole lot different than a dog happening across your place every now and then. Shooting the dog that is only doing what it's been trained to do is never the right thing to do. It is the owners fault, not the dogs.

I promise You, I keep my dogs on land I can hunt 99.9% of the time. I run an Alpha which has tone and correction ability. However, things happen, equipment fails, just as Goodman Hunter said. A couple examples; I have a young dog that I am getting collar broke. we ran a deer out of where I hunt. I toned her to try to stop her and she went on. I then shocked her on a low setting, and she stopped for a second then continued on again. So I cranked it up a bit and hit her again. When I did that she stopped. No amount of beeping or calling could get her to come back. She didn't know what bit her or where it was now, but she wasn't moving. She was only 60 yards across the fence when I walked in and got her. Another time this season, We were running a buck when it crossed on an older fella that couldn't shoot him for whatever reason. We got all the dogs stopped at the road, except for a young male I call Jasper. As soon as he crossed, his dog symbol on the handheld went to a (?). He went on in and ran the deer a mile or so into the neighboring property. He turned and ran the deer back in and we caught him. You could see where he hung his collar on a vine or a limb or something and broke the wire on the GPS antenna. Without connection, I couldn't beep him or shock him. The only way to know where he was was with good old fashioned hearing. Now, I hunt on a 60,000 acre WMA. The part we hunt butts up to another 13,000 acre WMA that is still hunt only. That piece is only open a few weekends a year and only opened one weekend that coincides with our deer season. That WMA is phenomenal deer hunting for the area. We are allowed to walk in there to get our dogs all we want as long as we don't have a gun. One WMA that borders us to the south, probably has more big deer per hunt days killed than any other WMA in the state, Including the 200 and something inch state record. All while the WMA we are on next door gets pounded daily by dogs.

Fldoghunter, that is horsechit and you know it. You say 99% of dog hunters try to keep their dogs off other people's property, well I beg to differ. We hunted a 680ac piece of ground for 3 yrs and every fri- sun and the last week of dog season we had dogs on our place. We would catch them and call the owners and they would spew out the same horsechit you are spewing. They never once tried to stop the dogs but they would line the road on the edge of our property. We got the GW involved but that was for nothing so we started dumping the feed to the dogs. As I said in an earlier post we would have the whole pack of hounds in our yard and the owners on the road waiting to get their dogs.
Also the dog hunters we were dealing with was the trashiest SOBs I've seen. The county rd rand right by our camp and after every weekend we would walk the sides of the road picking up all the trash and empty beer cans they would throw out. They would turn around in our driveways and cut them all up spinning the tires and wild run the roads all night.
I know there is some great dog hunters out there and I would hate to see them lose there way of hunting. I would see that gleam in their eyes when you talk to old houndsman and the young one too.
But unfortunately I never met a dog hunter that wasn't a lying beer drinking, road hunting, trash throwing, property damaging, piece of chit. Not saying that you are as I don't know you from Adam.
I just thank our lucky stars we were able to find a nice place away from all that crap. I would never want to stop someone from hunting the way they love to hunt. I don't hunt with dogs therefore I don't want dogs on my hunting property. Also I've owned hunting dogs all my life and wouldn't want anyone shooting them but if I had problems with them getting away to the nieghbors property and causing them problems, I solved the problem myself. I didn't like it but sometimes it had to be done. My dog my problem.

He just accidentally got the numbers reversed, Marsh.
The truth is about 1% of dog hunters actually give a rip about anyone else.

I don't speak horseshcit fellas. I also plainly stated that I don't hunt within 300 miles of any of you. I can understand the frustration if you don't want dogs on your property and it keeps happening. I'm just saying that shooting the dog is never the answer. Even if you feel you are in the right, the law doesn' t agree with you. You could go very quickly from being the one that's in the right, to the one that's facing felony charges. And this is not meant as a threat, but someone is going to get shot over a dog at some point. Wether you get shot or do the shooting, I'm sure if you are thinking clearly, that's not something you want to happen because you felt you had to shoot a man's dog.

Shoot a dog?
What dog?
Nooooo, I would never do that.
I love to hear that "felony" argument get thrown around.
You guys must practice that speech.

It's a felony to let dogs run loose?

No but it should be!!!

Wow ! I'm just curious as to why ? Are you just reading all this and getting fired up or are you serious ?

Yeah I'm thinking he is serious

i know some folks that will beat your ears off your head if they found out you shot their dog, if the dog shooter whips out a gun, we can play that game too. That may be hard for some of yall to nderstand. but that dog may be from grandchampion bloodline going back generations and is the seed for his future dogs. Dogs he's spent alot of time with and are high caliber hunting dogs.

He's bluffin...but I would not shoot his dog. Good squirrel dogs are hard to come by and I like living.

If they love the animal that much or it's worth that much then that's all the more reason to take good care of it and keep it on your land. I have some guns that as a collector I am quite proud of. If someone broke in my house and stole them I'd be pissed. On the other hand if I left one laying on the ground in a Walmart parking lot and it disappeared before I returned, I would consider that my fault.

If a man has invested that much time and money in a dog and he just lets it run where ever it wants to go and o other people's property is either way to rich and doesn't like his money, a sorry arse dog trainer or just a selfish SOB who really doesn't care at all about the dog or the people who the dog/dogs are messing up their hunts.
I will never shoot a mans hunting dog but if he has no more respect for me and the dog after I return the dog one time, he will have a hard time finding it the 2nd time. He may find the collar but the dog will be with a family in a couple towns or counties away. Like I tell everybody where I work, if your dog stays in your space
No one should ever hurt or complain about your dog. No if someone comes in your space and hurts your dog, now that's a whole different ball game. Keep control of your dogs and these conversations will never happen

Never owned a dog before? People get killed for far less than shooting a hunting dog all the time.. My dog is a part of the family and if somebody so much as kicks him, they better be ready because I'm coming

Dogs crusie through may property often and It amps up during hunting season when it seems the bitches come in heat more. I have had them come under my stand and 5 mins. later a deer walks by. Some people need to take a chill pill and get their panties out of a wad. Aholes are on both sides of the fence but that does not mean we all have to be one.