Your on to something here. Make those of us that work at night provide proof of that and then pay for a $15 nocturnal hunting privilege permit. No riding around in a vehicle, but have to sit in a stand. For another $15 bucks you can hunt over your corn pile. There you go standing up for the late night crew.

So any news on if they are going to vote on it today.

I'm checking with my son to see if he has heard or knows anything...

Heres a link to keep track of the bill. http://alisondb.legislature.state.a...t.ASPX?BILL=HB21&WIN_TYPE=BillResult

Playing the devil's advocate role, what is the legitimate reason it should be legal? If you can't kill a deer already in Alabama, you need to find another pastime. Some of the same people that argue that the state lets us kill to many does are having orgasms over the idea of legal corn. But I doubt it will effect me either way, our neighbors have been putting out corn for years. Many of the deer we kill close to the line have bellies full. One neighbor was buying a ton and a half a week from the Co-op until he got a visit from The Man. Once again, They are going to allow it eventually, but with more stipulations to muck things up. Straight up legal or illegal. No permits, no 100 yards, etc.

Please, please, please pass the corn bill,,,, NOW! I can't sleep until they do. I want corn. I need corn, I must have corn, otherwise I'm going to go out of my mind like Todd17. Somebody please go to Montgomery and talk to these guys. I HAVE TO HAVE CORN !!!!!! It's my constitutional right, you can't stop me......... CORN. The rest of ya'll against corn are liberal Hillary supporters and Obama voters and your mama wears combat boots!!

Right off the bat this question reveals a fundamental difference in me and you. I believe in freedom. I believe that there should be as little restriction on that freedom as possible. And while we certainly have to have laws that restrict certain activities I feel that it is incumbent upon the person advocating that something be illegal to provide a good reason it should be. Not the other way around. I should not have to explain why I should be free to do something. The government should have to explain why I shouldn't.

But since you ask, here goes.

Our current law regarding this situation is deeply flawed and indefensible. If I am rich enough to plant a corn field then I can legally hunt over it. But it's illegal to hunt over a feeder slinging corn. Why? It's literally the same substance.

It is also legal to hunt over a green patch which is simply another form of bait. It's like saying it's legal to fish for bream with crickets but not an earthworm without any explanation of why that should be the case.

I have asked many times on here for people to explain why corn fields and green patches should be legal to hunt over but not a feeder and have never gotten an answer that made any sense. There is certainly no ethical difference in sitting over a green field vs a feeder. And the only other reason I have ever seen thrown out there is the risk of disease transmission. If that were the reason behind all this then it should be illegal to feed deer period. There is nothing about sitting over a corn feeder with a gun that transforms it into a potential disease hot spot. But it isn't illegal to feed deer. In fact I have never heard a wildlife biologist even advocate making it illegal. The stuff about disease transmission only seems to come up in regards to hunting over it. Not to mention that deer grazing in the same small green patch are just as likely to be exposed to a disease as the ones eating around a feeder.

Since you corners like to throw out that a pile of corn is the same thing as a greenfield, I have to ask, how much cover does a pile of corn provide for quail, rabbits, and turkey poults? All of them need the cover for protection and the quail and turkey poults need the protein from the insects found in spring time food plots. How long do you think it will take hawks and owls to start perching above corn feeders and picking off all the small game attracted to them?

Take up your food plots and greenfield are the same shucks with the biologists. See if they feel that way too.

Todd your reasoning is right on with my thinking. We have people making laws that leave grey areas and the GW’s are left to interpret as they see fit which shouldn’t be the case. LEO’s are to enforce the law not make an interpretation that’ll be different from the next LEO you come into contact with. Interpretation of law should only be up to judges. I know that some LEO/GW are interpreting according to the judges they deal with but that’s not always the case as we all know

It’d be nice if the owls would pick off the coons and possums coming to the feeders. Too bad we don’t have a predator that do that for the hogs

We had a couple of Bald Eagle roost and raise babies every year for about 10 years in the same nest that was fairly close to a food plot. It just seemed like every time I saw a coon while watching the plot they were as wide open as they could get crossing the plot. I guessed it was because of the eagles but one of the biologists that work down there said that wasn't the reason because a coon is too ornery for an eagle to want to mess with.

Maybe we need some pterodactyls for the hogs.

I would think the ornery part would be gone when those talons sink up in the coons loins...ouch!

Corn is also yellow while green patches tend to be green. That's another difference. Doesn't have anything to do with the central argument of why one should be legal while the other isn't but then neither does the difference you pointed out. And if the ankle high green patches on your place are the only cover the quail, rabbits and turkey have then I'm sorry to break it to you but they ain't gone make it. Besides this is not an either or situation. You can have both. We plant about 14 green fields on our place every year.

Didn't realize I had to be this literal but when we say there is no difference we are "OF COURSE" speaking in the sense that they are both bait placed in a specific location by man for the express purpose of luring a game animal into gun or bow range. Also that sitting over one verses the other requires no difference in skill or effort. That's what we mean.

It's like if I said that murder is murder whether you use a handgun or a shotgun and you chimed in to say it was different and went on to describe the physical differences in the two weapons. Eh, you kinda missed the point there. Hunting over bait is hunting over bait. Whether or not a squirrel can hide in your bait vs mine really has no bearing on the ethics of the situation.



I really can't even tell if you are being serious now. So now we have to keep feeders illegal because owls will sit over them and eat all the small game animals? LOL! We have had them out on our place for decades now and I can assure you there is still an abundance of small game. But by all means if you truly believe that then don't put any out on your place if legalized. Pretty soon all your neighbors rabbits, squirrels, and quail will be nothing but owl s##t and you will be sitting pretty with all the small game animals in the county. LOL!

Food plots aren't ankle high in the Spring when young wildlife tends to be born and needs the cover. If you ever bothered to plant a food plot you would realize this. There are great benefits in food plots to all wildlife. You are showing ignorance to contend otherwise.

Like I said, I really don't care whether corn is legal or not. I just want it to be flatly legal or flatly illegal without stipulations about permits and distance. But I do take great exception to the proffer that there is no difference between corn and a food plot or planted corn. Do some reading up on this and you will see how wrong you are.

And you are showing yours by saying s##t like this when you don't know me, what I do or have done and what knowledge I may or may not have. We have been planting green patches on our land for over 30 years. Started when we stopped running deer with dogs back in the late 80's. I doubt seriously you know any more about them than we do. They are one good thing to have. Feeders slinging corn and protein pellets are another good thing to have. Hunting over one is no different ethically or skills wise than hunting over the other. If you can list a reason to the contrary then do so. Otherwise you simply join a long line of people here who despite their opposition could not state a single relevant reason why one should be illegal vs the other.

This is such a compelling argument we should just ban hunting within 100yds or within sight of or on any trails to or from (as determined by a reasonable GW) any man made or natural source of food, water, or mineral.

Doc did your son ever get back with you about the bill?

Todd, I believe you are my long lost twin. LOL. I also believe you should run for president. If I had to guess, we're close to the same age, just reading your post. I'm 54. I agree with 99.99999% of everything you've said, especially the part about the gov't explaining why they are taking away one of our freedoms. Nothing Alabama ever does, as far as game laws, make any sense.

I have planted green fields for a long time and if it were legal to put feed within the 100 yard area I would have both for the deer to choose from. Some years when the rain doesn't cooperate we have dirt plots, if it were legal to feed within the 100 yard area at least we might get a shot at something. At 66 I don't do as well in the woods as I use to.