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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Clem]
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08/16/18 06:52 PM
08/16/18 06:52 PM
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South Alabama
gobbler
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He also said the turkey season recommendation the CAB voted on was not recommended by the WWF biologists.
That's two people - him and Sykes - saying this season change proposal did not come from the department's biologists.
It's clearly being pushed by outside interests to the CAB.
Well, in the posted letter, it is obvious the guy has knowledge of things and his exact proposal was what was pitched to the CAB and discussed there. That doesn't mean the pushing is not coming from the Department, Chuck is not the only one that has discussions with the CAB, whether he likes the proposal or not. There are others in high enough positions with ears to talk to that may like lower limits and shorter seasons. I honestly don't know. In addition, there may be some pushing from Auburn? Don't know, just theorizing! Just to clarify, Matt said it was not recommended by the turkey committee. Every other WFF biologist may have talked to the CAB members and supported the reg changes. I know Matts story is sound as far as I have heard - the turkey committee was not part of the "push" for this regulation change.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Southwood7]
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08/16/18 07:28 PM
08/16/18 07:28 PM
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Cullman
CKyleC
(Can't Keep It Up...)
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I believe all this is being pushed by hunting lodges. In the Letter posted earlier, the "41yr Turkey Hunter" references his guiding of hunters and that BY OPENING ON THE THIRD SATURDAY, LODGES WOULD BE ABLE TO SAVE THE OPENER FOR A FULL WEEKEND FOR THEIR BEST CLIENTS.
Feb. 10th in the North Zone was approved because of DreamRanch and this turkey season change is for the benefit of all hunting lodges in the state. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Clem]
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08/16/18 09:24 PM
08/16/18 09:24 PM
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Cullman,AL
turkey_killer
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But when the February deer season in North Alabama was approved it was clear that "what's best for the resource" isn't the top priority.
Exactly!
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Southwood7]
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08/17/18 06:55 AM
08/17/18 06:55 AM
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Alabama
Kicker
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If you own a hunting lodge and your best clients only are able to go on the weekends, you won't be in business very long. Any reduction in opportunity or hunting days would not benefit a commercial operation
I hate ryegrass
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Kicker]
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08/17/18 08:42 AM
08/17/18 08:42 AM
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Helena
3toe
Talking Turkey
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Talking Turkey
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If you own a hunting lodge and your best clients only are able to go on the weekends, you won't be in business very long. Any reduction in opportunity or hunting days would not benefit a commercial operation This right here.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Kicker]
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08/17/18 08:55 AM
08/17/18 08:55 AM
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Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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If you own a hunting lodge and your best clients only are able to go on the weekends, you won't be in business very long. Any reduction in opportunity or hunting days would not benefit a commercial operation And moving the opening date, by 7 or less days, will have zero effect on breeding, either.
Last edited by Out back; 08/17/18 08:56 AM.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: gobbler]
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08/17/18 08:26 PM
08/17/18 08:26 PM
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Holly Pond, AL
NightHunter
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He also said the turkey season recommendation the CAB voted on was not recommended by the WWF biologists.
That's two people - him and Sykes - saying this season change proposal did not come from the department's biologists.
It's clearly being pushed by outside interests to the CAB.
Well, in the posted letter, it is obvious the guy has knowledge of things and his exact proposal was what was pitched to the CAB and discussed there. That doesn't mean the pushing is not coming from the Department, Chuck is not the only one that has discussions with the CAB, whether he likes the proposal or not. There are others in high enough positions with ears to talk to that may like lower limits and shorter seasons. I honestly don't know. In addition, there may be some pushing from Auburn? Don't know, just theorizing! Just to clarify, Matt said it was not recommended by the turkey committee. Every other WFF biologist may have talked to the CAB members and supported the reg changes. I know Matts story is sound as far as I have heard - the turkey committee was not part of the "push" for this regulation change. That is correct. The turkey committee nor our staff (Chuck included) proposed the changes.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/17/18 08:37 PM
08/17/18 08:37 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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He also said the turkey season recommendation the CAB voted on was not recommended by the WWF biologists.
That's two people - him and Sykes - saying this season change proposal did not come from the department's biologists.
It's clearly being pushed by outside interests to the CAB.
Well, in the posted letter, it is obvious the guy has knowledge of things and his exact proposal was what was pitched to the CAB and discussed there. That doesn't mean the pushing is not coming from the Department, Chuck is not the only one that has discussions with the CAB, whether he likes the proposal or not. There are others in high enough positions with ears to talk to that may like lower limits and shorter seasons. I honestly don't know. In addition, there may be some pushing from Auburn? Don't know, just theorizing! Just to clarify, Matt said it was not recommended by the turkey committee. Every other WFF biologist may have talked to the CAB members and supported the reg changes. I know Matts story is sound as far as I have heard - the turkey committee was not part of the "push" for this regulation change. That is correct. The turkey committee nor our staff (Chuck included) proposed the changes. I'll bet good $ Chuck Sykes had full knowledge Ms. Butler was gonna make the two motions about bag limits and moving the opener to 3rd Saturday at her last CAB meeting . I''ll also bet he gave her the go ahead.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/17/18 08:55 PM
08/17/18 08:55 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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I doubt it. I don't believe she'd made that move without running it by yer bossman.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: T-town]
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08/18/18 06:21 AM
08/18/18 06:21 AM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Money is the answer......... now what was the question? Almost always, just go with the default.......follow the $.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/18/18 06:35 AM
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Behind you
Avengedsevenfold
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You have to decide who you think has the most influence in all of this... And we are supposed to believe that Chuck isn't on the side of wealth and influence?
Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting
"Cause the cause for the pause you think you see is really concentration on the steel” NonPoint
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Avengedsevenfold]
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08/18/18 08:48 AM
08/18/18 08:48 AM
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Holly Pond, AL
NightHunter
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You have to decide who you think has the most influence in all of this... And we are supposed to believe that Chuck isn't on the side of wealth and influence? Nope, not if you don’t want to but trust the fact that 2 employees are on here telling you what we know. Doing so on a public forum probably isn’t the best idea but here we are.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Southwood7]
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08/18/18 09:08 AM
08/18/18 09:08 AM
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Hampton Cove
foldemup
Booner
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Booner
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Well can you or Matt PM me so I can know which codsucker(s) we need to write our letters too? I want whoever had the lady from Jackson County in their back pocket
If you want to always win, never play anyone better than you!
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: Southwood7]
#2554887
08/18/18 09:13 AM
08/18/18 09:13 AM
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Holly Pond, AL
NightHunter
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You need to send your concerns to Chuck, the commissioner, and the CAB.
But again, the changes were not proposed by DCNR.
Last edited by NightHunter; 08/18/18 09:15 AM.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: CKyleC]
#2554917
08/18/18 10:01 AM
08/18/18 10:01 AM
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Gurley, Alabama
Standbanger
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Gurley, Alabama
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I believe all this is being pushed by hunting lodges. In the Letter posted earlier, the "41yr Turkey Hunter" references his guiding of hunters and that BY OPENING ON THE THIRD SATURDAY, LODGES WOULD BE ABLE TO SAVE THE OPENER FOR A FULL WEEKEND FOR THEIR BEST CLIENTS.
Feb. 10th in the North Zone was approved because of DreamRanch and this turkey season change is for the benefit of all hunting lodges in the state. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
Yep had nothing to do with deer numbers. More doing favors to get pockets lined with cash or other exclusive benefits.
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/18/18 11:00 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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You have to decide who you think has the most influence in all of this... Unfortunately, people like Ainsworth, high-fence owners with money, upper-crust with money, legislators, people with money who put pressure on legislators and the DCNR for their agendas, people in organizations with acroynm names and federations. People like the senator in Shooter, instead of all of the peckerwoods in the hills. Joe Peckerwood needs to make more noise and exert more of the Common Man influence that he can, instead of shrugging and giving up.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: Contact the DCNR
[Re: NightHunter]
#2555022
08/18/18 12:05 PM
08/18/18 12:05 PM
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South Alabama
gobbler
12 point
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12 point
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I know Matts story is sound as far as I have heard - the turkey committee was not part of the "push" for this regulation change.
That is correct. The turkey committee nor our staff (Chuck included) proposed the changes. Note a small verbal difference between "proposed" the changes and "pushed" for the changes. 
Last edited by gobbler; 08/18/18 12:09 PM.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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