So why do we need the Dept. of Conservation if it can't control the demise of native wildlife populations or the increase of nuisance invasive species?

Are we wasting our money?

Good question and yes!

How do you know it wouldn't be much, much worse without them?

Personally, I think what has happened is that a shadowy cabal made up of Moultrie, BASS, Planned Parenthood, and some super secret Federal 3-letter agencies met with their DCNR stooges in some smoke filled rooms in dear old Munt-gumry.

From these meetings, they made secret plans to take actions to trainwreck the native populations of quail, skunks, does, fiscal conservatives, and all these other endangered species, and at the same time exponentially increase the numbers of fire ants, armadillos, coyotes, socialists, anarchists, and all other undesirables.

Nobody else on earth has the profound knowledge to so dramatically affect these native populations, but the DCNR does. What's more, they do it in secret. Some think black helicopters are involved, but of course there is no way to verify that.

The end goal, of course, is for these evil entities to foist their products like Moultrie Yote-B-Gon or the Wildlife Institute's Quail-Come-Back on the desperate consumer.

We're being had, people! The DCNR is NOT incompetent! They're actually evil.

<satire off>

Aught Six,


We don't unless we take time to evaluate the benefits and costs to see if it would.

What are they doing that private companies or our local sheriffs couldn't do as well or better? Why can't landowners just hire people like gobbler to manage their lands for wildlife according to their own desires and pay for it themselves? You can't hunt there anyhow.

Most other large landowners charge us to hunt for their own profit and we pay for any habitat improvements in addition to that. Why do we need the DCNR for that? The sheriffs already have the power to enforce the few game and fish laws that we might need to keep.



BTW: Federal grants come out of our paychecks. Then the feds dole it out with strings attached like it's a gift from Uncle Sam. But it still comes out of our pockets. We work an avg. of 3+ months out of the year just to pay taxes. Tax Freedom Day link

Constitution of Alabama 1901


BTW: You've been watching too many science fiction movies. Try reading more about the principles of government this country was founded on.

I would almost bet you that there are just as many acres planted in row crops in lower Wilcox county right now as there were in the 60s when I lived there. I basically hunt the same area now that I hunted then and it has changed very little as for as row crop acreage goes. That being said, the beautiful mixed hardwood forest that use to cover much of that land has long since been turned into plantation pine strips.

Link here

My yard is currently torn up where armadillos have been digging. I never used to see them here back when we had quail.

I figure the coyotes that have moved in during the past couple of decades have taken a toll on our rabbits.

Fire ants could be a factor too. If fire ants can kill my daughter's chickens, they probably like quail meat and quail eggs too.

Are these problems anything the DCNR can control?

49er,

I was kidding.

Section 9-2-2


49er, why do you keep saying "native" animals. According to this, doesn't the DCNR have a duty to increase the coyote and hog population as well, as they too are wildlife? Nowhere does it say that the DCNR has a duty to only increase the population of native animals to the state.

49er,

Before I start in on your comments, I have a few questions. Please answer them sir. So, we can have an intelligent conversation and be on topic.

How many days have you hunted during the current season?
What did you hunt?
How many acres did you hunt?
Have you actually killed anything during the current season?

Good question.

I believe the legislature's intention was to preserve the native species of Alabama when it used the words "wildlife of the state" in the language of the statute. At that time, a lot of the nuisance species we have now were not "wildlife of the state".

Feral hogs were domestic animals that later turned wild. Coyotes were not a common species in Alabama due to the territorial nature of our native red wolf species keeping them out. We no longer have red wolves to protect. We do now have fire ants and armadillos threatening some of our native species. I think the various native species of the state were the ones meant to be protected.

By the way, my feelings are hurt that nobody did a laugh-up on my clever post above.

Here ya go

Maybe it's because some of us don't think hunters being excluded from the decision making process that affects our rights and duties is a laughing matter.

Tell me if the following has anything at all to do with visions of "black helicopters". It's my thread so we'll go there if you insist:

I mentioned earlier that I requested the names of the committee members who authored the reports to the commissioner. I heard from the DCNR's lawyer today.




Here's what the law says:
Code of Alabama 1975

[emphasis in bold is mine]

The lawyer probably thinks you're obsessive and didn't want to release the names for safety reasons.

Why he would get that idea I wouldn't know.

Every once in a while you make excellent use of your allotted 10 minutes. I think taking my money away from me (and you) to put into "wildlife" and "tree planting" programs is sickening. Wish they would end all welfare - wildlifers included.

I'll give you one for that one!

Then again, there are members of those type of committees here as we speak laughing at hunters being excluded.

Special interests are accomodated better in private, aren't they gobbler?

Better get u a list of the folks on the committees I'm influencing them just as much as you .

gobbler,


They won't give me a list of the new ones. You got any inside info to share?

Here's an old list I found:


Know any of 'em??
Here's some more from back in '04


Can you help with this one??

Contrary to what some think, I find it interesting that the person that appointed the committee will not release their names. It's almost like they have something to hide.

Also, if 49er's law reference regarding the open meetings requirements (I have no reason to believe they are not accurate) is correct, then that again makes me wonder about the credibility of the selected members of the committee whose identity will forever be hidden. I am sure it is a wonderful position to be in when you don't have to take responsibility for your decisions much less be questioned about them, where do I get a job like that??

Blindly following an authoritarian entity, named or unamed and that are unwilling to have an open debate on the issues is not something that should be tolerated or should occur. In my humble opinion they should have enough character to provide reasoned explanations as to why they think a certain path should be taken so that everyone affected by their decisions can have the opportunity to consider their positions and decisions before they are implemented. Governing was never meant to be easy no matter what government worshipers may wish. Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jon Pertrified and other of the same ilk know what easy governance is.

49er, keep up the good work, if it was not for you 99% of the people on this site would not have a clue about what or how things happen that affect or ability to enjoy the outdoors.