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Re: Storm Time [Re: Skinny] #2603872
10/10/18 07:52 AM
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Looks like the turn has begun.


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Re: Storm Time [Re: abolt300] #2603873
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by hallb
The wind speeds they use to gauge the category are right smack dab on the eyewall - 20 miles either direction makes a big difference.

I'm also betting they are reporting the WS at either 10,000 or 5,000 foot up in the eye wall.


They report maximum flight level winds, and then adjust downward based on data from Stepped-Frequency Microwave Radiometer (SFMR) onboard the plane. The SFMR was designed to measure surface level wind from above. If you read the discussion portion of the 6 hour updates (not the intermediate updates, the full advisory at 10 and 4, am and pm) they always disclose flight level winds and what their basis is to estimate surface winds shown in the advisory.

The rub is that the maximum wind field is tiny around the eyewall. Nearly no one sees those sustained winds.

Re: Storm Time [Re: abolt300] #2603876
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by PRB
Originally Posted by bama1157
The only thing I can think of that would make that big a difference in the bouy wind speed and the wind speed from the Hurricane hunters is that the bouy is on the surface and the hunters are 10,000 feet or more off the surface..



Dropsondes that hurricane hunter aircraft use measure data all the way to the surface.


Know that, at what elevation level do they rate the hurricane wind speed now? Highest wind speed recorded on the trip, avaerage of all elevations,? Years ago, the weathermen would tell you what the wind readings were from the hurricane hunters at 10,000, 5,000, 1000, 500, and surface, now they just say 145 mph. I'm guessing they figure people are too dumb to make good life safety decisions themselves so they just report the highest.

Just heard him say they measured at 10,000 feet


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Re: Storm Time [Re: mcninja] #2603877
10/10/18 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mcninja
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by mcninja
Skinny and other wather experts: we’re down here in Fort Morgan with the fam for fall break. Y’all think it’s safe to sit tight or head north? I’m fine with rain, wind, traffic, hassle, etc. but don’t want to be stupid and ignore real danger if there’s a chance this thing decides to cut West...what say ye?


You’re fine where you are, but even if you were not going to be fine you would have waited way too late to leave.


How’s that, Matt? Not being a peckerhead but asking sincerely...We can be packed up and headed north in an hour or less and it’s my understanding that landfall is still several hours away...You figuring traffic congestion?

I’m a hurricane novice.😁


Unless something drastically changes with the path, you are fine in Ft. Morgan. I'm in Milton, FL 60-70 miles to the east closer than you all are there and I'm just expecting rain and some decent wind gusts, maybe up to 40 knots or so. While the final track does vary ultimately where it makes landfall, they have gotten amazingly good at these prediction models of where it's gonna go so would be very shocked if it were to make a turn west at this point. If it's going to vary from the tracks, it's going to just keep going north.

Re: Storm Time [Re: Skinny] #2603878
10/10/18 07:56 AM
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For all those with negative talk about weather men and strength of storms, have you all experienced hurricanes? I have and can tell you you don’t mess around with them. A cat 1 or Cat 2 usually aren’t too bad but above that, better be preparing

And I don’t care where they measure the wind. A tree in saturated ground will come down on a house with not too much wind

Re: Storm Time [Re: Zzzfog] #2603880
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Originally Posted by Zzzfog
Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by hallb
The wind speeds they use to gauge the category are right smack dab on the eyewall - 20 miles either direction makes a big difference.

I'm also betting they are reporting the WS at either 10,000 or 5,000 foot up in the eye wall.




Yea it’s just a little tropical storm. Nothing to fear here loco

Not what I meant at all. My point was we are seeing more than a 50% variance between reported winds and what the actual on ground data says. There has to be an explanation. I'm betting that is the difference. It doesn't matter what the wind speed is. Sure 145 is a lot worse than 70 but any sustained wind over even 50mph for several hours is going to do a lot of damage. I was in south FL for business right after Andrew and there was nothing but concrete slabs and piles of rubble where hundreds of houses were standiningbweeks earlier. I mean nothing left but the concrete foundations. It was terrible destruction like you've never seen.

Re: Storm Time [Re: Skinny] #2603881
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I wonder if the Sambar deer and Red Wolves on St. Vincent Island
will escape to the mainland...…..or drown????
That Island may not be there tomorrow.

Re: Storm Time [Re: abolt300] #2603882
10/10/18 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by PRB
Originally Posted by bama1157
The only thing I can think of that would make that big a difference in the bouy wind speed and the wind speed from the Hurricane hunters is that the bouy is on the surface and the hunters are 10,000 feet or more off the surface..



Dropsondes that hurricane hunter aircraft use measure data all the way to the surface.


Know that, at what elevation level do they rate the hurricane wind speed now? Highest wind speed recorded on the trip, avaerage of all elevations,? Years ago, the weathermen would tell you what the wind readings were from the hurricane hunters at 10,000, 5,000, 1000, 500, and surface, now they just say 145 mph. I'm guessing they figure people are too dumb to make good life safety decisions themselves so they just report the highest.


The reported wind speeds are surface wind readings from dropsondes in the storm. They are not embellishing numbers for “hype”. They are actual readings.


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Re: Storm Time [Re: Skinny] #2603883
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We are staying here, about 24 miles north of Seagrove Beach. Might lose power later today, but it is still headed between PC and Appalachicola.

Re: Storm Time [Re: timbercruiser] #2603888
10/10/18 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
We are staying here, about 24 miles north of Seagrove Beach. Might lose power later today, but it is still headed between PC and Appalachicola.



Probably gonna get a little rough. Be on your toez

Re: Storm Time [Re: Skinny] #2603892
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Currently light rain with 10 mph winds. Partner is in Seaside. Currently raining and he's guessing 20-25 sustained with gusts to 40.

Re: Storm Time [Re: Skinny] #2603911
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Sub 930 pressure and CAT 5 winds just above the surface per the latest recon. It’s going to do it’s best to make a run at a CAT 5 before landfall.


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Re: Storm Time [Re: PRB] #2603916
10/10/18 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PRB
CAT 5 winds just above the surface per the latest recon. It’s going to make a run at a CAT 5 before landfall.


Wow!! That’s no bueno

Re: Storm Time [Re: mcninja] #2603918
10/10/18 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mcninja
Skinny and other wather experts: we’re down here in Fort Morgan with the fam for fall break. Y’all think it’s safe to sit tight or head north? I’m fine with rain, wind, traffic, hassle, etc. but don’t want to be stupid and ignore real danger if there’s a chance this thing decides to cut West...what say ye?

At this point, you done waited too late for that decision.
But the good news, you're on the west side, so you're probably looking at 50/60 mph winds and rain.


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Re: Storm Time [Re: abolt300] #2603924
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by Zzzfog
Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by hallb
The wind speeds they use to gauge the category are right smack dab on the eyewall - 20 miles either direction makes a big difference.

I'm also betting they are reporting the WS at either 10,000 or 5,000 foot up in the eye wall.




Yea it’s just a little tropical storm. Nothing to fear here loco

Not what I meant at all. My point was we are seeing more than a 50% variance between reported winds and what the actual on ground data says. There has to be an explanation. I'm betting that is the difference. It doesn't matter what the wind speed is. Sure 145 is a lot worse than 70 but any sustained wind over even 50mph for several hours is going to do a lot of damage. I was in south FL for business right after Andrew and there was nothing but concrete slabs and piles of rubble where hundreds of houses were standiningbweeks earlier. I mean nothing left but the concrete foundations. It was terrible destruction like you've never seen.


And that storm was rated equal to this one at landfall by the same agencies.


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Re: Storm Time [Re: Out back] #2603925
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by mcninja
Skinny and other wather experts: we’re down here in Fort Morgan with the fam for fall break. Y’all think it’s safe to sit tight or head north? I’m fine with rain, wind, traffic, hassle, etc. but don’t want to be stupid and ignore real danger if there’s a chance this thing decides to cut West...what say ye?

At this point, you done waited too late for that decision.
But the good news, you're on the west side, so you're probably looking at 50/60 mph winds and rain.



I'm just across the line from Pensacola. So far just a drizzling rain, and an occasional gust.

And it looks like the storm finally is making the turn to the right.


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Re: Storm Time [Re: mcninja] #2603950
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Originally Posted by mcninja
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by mcninja
Skinny and other wather experts: we’re down here in Fort Morgan with the fam for fall break. Y’all think it’s safe to sit tight or head north? I’m fine with rain, wind, traffic, hassle, etc. but don’t want to be stupid and ignore real danger if there’s a chance this thing decides to cut West...what say ye?


You’re fine where you are, but even if you were not going to be fine you would have waited way too late to leave.


How’s that, Matt? Not being a peckerhead but asking sincerely...We can be packed up and headed north in an hour or less and it’s my understanding that landfall is still several hours away...You figuring traffic congestion?

I’m a hurricane novice.😁


Yes the traffic. I drove south on 65 yesterday to Montgomery and it was pretty bad headed north. When it came time to get back on 65 headed home I took another route. It was barely moving. I’ve evacuated several hurricanes and rode one out because I waited too late to evacuate one time. That mistake will never be made again. That was a rough 6 hours.

Re: Storm Time [Re: Mbrock] #2603953
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by mcninja
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by mcninja
Skinny and other wather experts: we’re down here in Fort Morgan with the fam for fall break. Y’all think it’s safe to sit tight or head north? I’m fine with rain, wind, traffic, hassle, etc. but don’t want to be stupid and ignore real danger if there’s a chance this thing decides to cut West...what say ye?


You’re fine where you are, but even if you were not going to be fine you would have waited way too late to leave.


How’s that, Matt? Not being a peckerhead but asking sincerely...We can be packed up and headed north in an hour or less and it’s my understanding that landfall is still several hours away...You figuring traffic congestion?

I’m a hurricane novice.😁


Yes the traffic. I drove south on 65 yesterday to Montgomery and it was pretty bad headed north. When it came time to get back on 65 headed home I took another route. It was barely moving. I’ve evacuated several hurricanes and rode one out because I waited too late to evacuate one time. That mistake will never be made again. That was a rough 6 hours.


Gotcha, thanks.

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The very worst thing you can do is get trapped in a vehicle when it hits. Now you want to listen? Where the hell have you been in the past? I hope you come thru this, but you really made some piss poor decisions. Do you think all the media coverage is a joke? SMDH
Didn't you notice the sane people left?


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Sheesh Larry calm down.

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