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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
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11/26/18 11:38 AM
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I don't believe only 3,000 +/- deer were killed in Alabama between midday Friday and midday Monday on Thanksgiving weekend. Not one bit.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
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11/26/18 12:13 PM
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This is the way I see it. First of all, ask the question: What is the real reason for having Game Check? Is it some type of game harvest enforcement method placed upon the hunters, or is it some attempt to count dead deer and speculate on a population? If it's enforcement, is it working, can it work? If it's scientific methodology, is it working, can it work?
In my opinion, it isn't working, it cannot work, it is a flawed attempt to accomplish both enforcement and science. It is simply the wrong way to do either.
The State must find a way to do deer population surveys in order to set hunting seasons for a sustainable population. This ain't it.
Then, enforce the law with boots on the ground, not some voluntary method that requires hunter participation.
We need a fresh start from the top down and somehow get the politics out of hunting regulations and laws. I have asked myself these same questions. What is the ultimate goal? Manage or improve quality? Total numbers/numbers per county or area/points of the bucks? Or maybe all of the above but what is it compared against? Total hunters? If the total numbers are the goal then stiff enforcement is the only thing that will help and even then there will always be “outlaws” of specific data for quality purposes is the goal then pick and percentage of the total and run with it. Data is data
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: Clem]
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11/26/18 12:30 PM
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I don't believe only 3,000 +/- deer were killed in Alabama between midday Friday and midday Monday on Thanksgiving weekend. Not one bit.
Never know. It could be pretty close to accurate. I'm sure that there were more than that just because based on feedback on here, not everyone is participating. If there were 3,000 reported, maybe there really were 5000-7000 killed in that 3 day period but that's still not very many considering the number of people that probably hunted over the holiday weekend. At least in the south central part of the state, there was not a wholesale slaughter for sure. I hunted Camden from Friday until Sunday and heard a grand total of 3 rifle shots. Would normally hear 25-30. Ran by Venison creations Saturday night after I came out, to talk to someone and not much at all being brought in while I was there. Iron Bowl, heavy fog in the mornings, relatively warm temps and a full moon probably had a lot to do with the low numbers.
Last edited by abolt300; 11/26/18 05:25 PM.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: Hornhntr]
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11/26/18 01:48 PM
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This is the way I see it. First of all, ask the question: What is the real reason for having Game Check? Is it some type of game harvest enforcement method placed upon the hunters, or is it some attempt to count dead deer and speculate on a population? If it's enforcement, is it working, can it work? If it's scientific methodology, is it working, can it work?
In my opinion, it isn't working, it cannot work, it is a flawed attempt to accomplish both enforcement and science. It is simply the wrong way to do either.
The State must find a way to do deer population surveys in order to set hunting seasons for a sustainable population. This ain't it.
Then, enforce the law with boots on the ground, not some voluntary method that requires hunter participation.
We need a fresh start from the top down and somehow get the politics out of hunting regulations and laws. I have asked myself these same questions. What is the ultimate goal? Manage or improve quality? Total numbers/numbers per county or area/points of the bucks? Or maybe all of the above but what is it compared against? Total hunters? If the total numbers are the goal then stiff enforcement is the only thing that will help and even then there will always be “outlaws” of specific data for quality purposes is the goal then pick and percentage of the total and run with it. Data is data Landowners who sell timber, in my area anyway, have to come up with a timber management plan for 20(?) years. Normally if a consultant is used, they do it. It just lays out a plan and steps that you plan to take in regenerating the timber. Maybe a timber person on here can explain it better. But this sounds like what y'all are asking for. A plan that details the goals of wildlife management over a set period.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: abolt300]
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11/26/18 01:51 PM
11/26/18 01:51 PM
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I don't believe only 3,000 +/- deer were killed in Alabama between midday Friday and midday Monday on Thanksgiving weekend. Not one bit.
Never know. It could be pretty close to accurate. I'm sure that there were more than that. If there were 3,000 reported, maybe there really were 5000-7000 killed in that 3 day period but at least in the south central part of the state, there was not a wholesale slaughter for sure. I hunted Camden from Friday until Sunday and heard a grand total of 3 rifle shots. Would normally hear 25-30. Ran by Venison creations Saturday night after I came out, to talk to someone and not much at all being brought in while I was there. Iron Bowl, heavy fog in the mornings, relatively warm temps and a full moon probably had a lot to do with the low numbers. I haven't heard the shooting or seen the numbers of hunters in several years. I just contributed it to a sharp decline in our deer population.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: Clem]
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11/26/18 01:57 PM
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If the DCNR wants me to game check my deer, I’m going to do it. I don’t know if it’s going to give them useful info or not but it doesn’t take me but 30 seconds so I’ll comply. I do know that I paid $45.10 to hunt this year and have over 100,000+ acres of public land within 45 minutes of my house. I could pay $2000 and join a club and have WAY more rules and regulations to deal with than I do hunting public land. I guess what I’m saying is that I feel like what the DCNR is asking of me is pretty uninvasive and minuscule and I support their efforts.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: Clem]
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11/26/18 05:38 PM
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I don't believe only 3,000 +/- deer were killed in Alabama between midday Friday and midday Monday on Thanksgiving weekend. Not one bit.
Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false. At one time people though the earth was flat too I am not saying it is spot on, but without any further evidence it could be anywhere from really close to way off. At this point all we can know for sure is what is happening on the land we hunt because without the State being willing to enforce GC it will always be flawed due to the overwhelming outlaw mentality of the average Alabama hunter it seems.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: Clem]
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11/26/18 06:00 PM
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IMO it's silly to believe that's accurate for a Thanksgiving weekend, the second weekend of the firearms season. Doggone it. If only we had taxidermists taking mandatory "harvest" confirmation number logs to help with all these outlaw hunters. By golly, THAT would solve it. Until it didn't and something else had to be mandated. Six hours after the last update on the total we now are at 18,417 - meaning all afternoon 255 deer were reported in the last six hours for the entire state. That's 42 an hour. Pretty steady.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
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11/26/18 06:04 PM
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You can get a ton of information from surveys and numbers like the game check. I don’t know what they could do with it but there are really smart people who can. There’s probably been thousands of research papers written on participation of surveys and game check like deals where they can get a good idea what the real participation is. There’s a professor or somebody in Alabama that could do more than you could think with them numbers What a lot of folks have wanted to know for 3+ years is how, specifically, this data will be used. Not "we'll make changes as needed" or something nebulous. Some folks want specifics spelled out about what can-could-would-will be done with it and when.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: Clem]
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11/26/18 06:09 PM
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You can get a ton of information from surveys and numbers like the game check. I don’t know what they could do with it but there are really smart people who can. There’s probably been thousands of research papers written on participation of surveys and game check like deals where they can get a good idea what the real participation is. There’s a professor or somebody in Alabama that could do more than you could think with them numbers What a lot of folks have wanted to know for 3+ years is how, specifically, this data will be used. Not "we'll make changes as needed" or something nebulous. Some folks want specifics spelled out about what can-could-would-will be done with it and when. As the old saying goes “ follow the money”.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
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11/26/18 06:47 PM
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
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11/26/18 06:54 PM
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The money you’ll soon be paying to buy a tag to hunt deer in bama. Ole chucky is seeing dollar signs now and has a plan in place, won’t be long. Think of the money he could pocket at $10 per deer tag.
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
[Re: Clem]
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12/12/18 12:10 PM
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On Monday, Nov. 26, the total number was 18,162 Today it is 26,243 48 does killed on the SOAs. There ain't gonna be any deer left for anyone in the future! https://game.dcnr.alabama.gov/Report/State/Deer
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
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12/12/18 05:30 PM
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If you've got 26K deer killed and reported by 25K separate/individual hunters, we've got a real population problem and people arent getting the opportunities. If you've got 26k deer killed and reported by the same 3000 hunters, we got a real reporting problem and the actual harvest is exponentially higher than the number reported. That’s actually a really good thought and one I haven’t considered.
Ya'll are just overthinking it now
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Re: DCNR's GameCheck Numbers for 2018-19
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12/12/18 06:21 PM
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Dec 12th 2016 -- 29,970
Dec 12th 2017 -- 24,351
Dec 12th 2018 -- 26,243
Thanks for the prior years' numbers, Squadron.
Going to abolt300's point, it may well be the same small group of hunters reporting. Possibly a segment of them were among the ones reporting voluntarily, too, and the reporting group hasn't grown much larger in the last 2.5 years.
If so, that would indicate a lot of hunters don't know about GC or are ignoring it for whatever reason.
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"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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