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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: Strictlybow]
#2652821
11/26/18 03:31 PM
11/26/18 03:31 PM
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Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,531 Linden, AL
Dano
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All bullets leave some sort of blood trail. However I will say that most of the tracks I go on people that use ballistic tips could probably find their own deer and not need a dog if the bullet exited. Most the time deer that shot with ballistic tip are dead within a few hundred yards or closer but leave a faint blood trail because of the no exit. It really depends on shot placement like many say and know. All deer bleed when shot with whatever you use. Other factors like guts clogging up holes, etc but a good expanding bullet that gives you the most chance for a good blood trail when there is an entrance and exit wound are best IMO
It isn't necessary to see a good tackle...you can hear it.
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: James]
#2653204
11/26/18 08:33 PM
11/26/18 08:33 PM
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Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,739 Jasper, Alabama
ValleyDawg
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Meh exit with a bow is important to me, exit with a firearm not so much 😁 This is exactly how i feel. Dead is dead whether my bullet left 1 hole or 2. But to be fair my 45/70 leaves a blood trail of only about 2 feet to follow. 
Last edited by ValleyDawg; 11/26/18 08:34 PM.
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: Strictlybow]
#2653522
11/27/18 06:40 AM
11/27/18 06:40 AM
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Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,513 Mississippi
riflenut
10 point
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10 point
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CoreLokts are great.........CoreLokts suck. Hornady's hit like Thor's hammer..........I lost 3 deer shooting Hornady's. Ballistic tips leave em all DRT............Ballistic tips blow up like grenades.
Shot placement is far more important than what you're placing.
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: tiger1432]
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11/27/18 07:08 AM
11/27/18 07:08 AM
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 31,225 Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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the last 2 deer i shot with corelock will be the last 2 i ever shoot one was at 25 yards with a 30-06 an never bleed one drop the other was a doe at 75 yards an never bleed we found the first one after hours of searching an never found the other the one we found was a heart shot he went about 50 yards in to a thicket if i wouldnt have steped on him i wouldnt have found him he buried his self
That says a lot more about your poor woodmanship and/or laziness. A heart shot will rarely leave a bloodtrail, but a dead deer inside 50 yards is a win. There's no bullet to help you, only time, experience and perhaps a seasoned mentor.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: Out back]
#2653649
11/27/18 09:36 AM
11/27/18 09:36 AM
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Posts: 9,375 Jasper, AL
joshm28
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the last 2 deer i shot with corelock will be the last 2 i ever shoot one was at 25 yards with a 30-06 an never bleed one drop the other was a doe at 75 yards an never bleed we found the first one after hours of searching an never found the other the one we found was a heart shot he went about 50 yards in to a thicket if i wouldnt have steped on him i wouldnt have found him he buried his self
That says a lot more about your poor woodmanship and/or laziness. A heart shot will rarely leave a bloodtrail, but a dead deer inside 50 yards is a win. There's no bullet to help you, only time, experience and perhaps a seasoned mentor. Hard to leave a blood trail when the pump stops pumping
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: Strictlybow]
#2653688
11/27/18 10:12 AM
11/27/18 10:12 AM
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mman
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I am becoming a huge fan of the Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X. Since last year, I have shot 7 deer with them and 6 have dropped in their tracks, even from double lung shots. I did have one run about 50 yards. I am using a 6.5 Creedmoor. They are extremely accurate. At Bullet and Barrel, I shot under a measured 1/2 MOA. I don't always get a pass through, but when they drop in their tracks, it makes them very easy to trail. I used to shoot the SST's, and overall, had great success, but a couple times, I wasn't completely thrilled with their performance.
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: mman]
#2653742
11/27/18 10:57 AM
11/27/18 10:57 AM
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Posts: 7,862 Hartselle, AL
trlrdrdave
14 point
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14 point
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Posts: 7,862
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I am becoming a huge fan of the Hornady Precision Hunter ELD-X. Me too if they do in a .270 wsm like they do in 6.5 Creedmoor. They will kill.
"In time of war, send me all the Alabamians you can get, but in time of peace, for Lord's sake, send them to somebody else." General Edward H. Plummer
"Blessed are those who, in the face of death, think only about the front sight." Jeff Cooper
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: GKelly]
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11/27/18 11:06 AM
11/27/18 11:06 AM
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Posts: 9,864 B'ham
Goatkiller
14 point
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its just voodoo a hole is a hole if its in the right place a lung shot is going to leave a better trail than a gut shot some people just blame their shooting on the bullet or caliber or gun or scope or whatever they can rather than saying i made a f'ed up shot. ive dropped deer in there tracks with FMJs and had to trail 100 yards with softpoints and vice versa but currently im really liking the Sierra Game Kings. Truth
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: Strictlybow]
#2654044
11/27/18 03:43 PM
11/27/18 03:43 PM
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Posts: 662 Conyers, GA and Auburn, AL
Razorsharp123
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I think there are some general characteristics that we as hunters should seek to understand that will help us select the most appropriate gun/ammo combination for each situation. This is of course separate from shot placement although it can be seen as related when considering shot selection.
In my mind these go something like -
Bullet construction and weight
Velocity or related, but slightly different, shot distance.
And game targeted
All bullets, from the cheapest cup and core, through the bonded bullets to the premium monometals have something of a sweet spot when considering these characteristics.
The harder you push a bullet, and the shorter your shots, the more likely you are to have inconsistent results with the more general cup and cores and their polymer tipped counterparts.
On the other hand if you are shooting long range with no expectation of close shots (actual distance is debatable as seen in this thread), and with a slower MV then a monometal is likely not the best choice for you.
Where this gets most difficult is perhaps something like large bean fields or power lines where shots can range from point blank to extreme long range - this situation really presses a bullet on both ends of the range.
Blood trails are just not an exact science. I shot my buck this season with a bonded bullet from close range but the blood just wasn't there. Turned out that even with a large exit hole it was plugged with various critter parts.
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: Strictlybow]
#2654115
11/27/18 04:47 PM
11/27/18 04:47 PM
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Posts: 4,835 GA
UncleHuck
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I have always taken high heart/double lung shots before this year. Some DRT, some run a little, usually have a decent blood trail if it runs out of sight.
Due to some unusual circumstances, our year to date went like this -
South Carolina, 10 point chasing a doe, dripping wet from the swamp he just left. I took a shoulder shot that also got the heart, DRT. No blood on the ground until we moved the deer.
Texas, big 11 point, about to cross a property line fence, tried the same shot, ended up high shoulder because he ducked to go under the fence about the time I pulled the trigger. DRT. No blood on the ground until we moved the deer.
Texas, big 9 point that my nephew shot. Low shoulder, but back, so no bone. Slight quartering away shot that trashed the heart and got bottom of both lungs. Deer ran 30 yards, but I watched it the whole way. Not a drop of blood until we moved him. Body cavity was full of blood when we cleaned him.
Texas, my wife's hunt, big 11 point. Guide told her to shoot the shoulder because of difficulty tracking in the heavy brush. High shoulder, DRT, no blood on the ground until we moved the deer.
I may rethink my tendency to do high heart/double lung, as none of the true shoulder shot deer even took a step. They hit the ground immediately. My wife's buck, his head was flopping around as he fell.
The best tracking scenario is when you don't have to track.
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: UncleHuck]
#2654135
11/27/18 05:03 PM
11/27/18 05:03 PM
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Posts: 20,426 North AL
AU338MAG
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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I have always taken high heart/double lung shots before this year. Some DRT, some run a little, usually have a decent blood trail if it runs out of sight.
Due to some unusual circumstances, our year to date went like this -
South Carolina, 10 point chasing a doe, dripping wet from the swamp he just left. I took a shoulder shot that also got the heart, DRT. No blood on the ground until we moved the deer.
Texas, big 11 point, about to cross a property line fence, tried the same shot, ended up high shoulder because he ducked to go under the fence about the time I pulled the trigger. DRT. No blood on the ground until we moved the deer.
Texas, big 9 point that my nephew shot. Low shoulder, but back, so no bone. Slight quartering away shot that trashed the heart and got bottom of both lungs. Deer ran 30 yards, but I watched it the whole way. Not a drop of blood until we moved him. Body cavity was full of blood when we cleaned him.
Texas, my wife's hunt, big 11 point. Guide told her to shoot the shoulder because of difficulty tracking in the heavy brush. High shoulder, DRT, no blood on the ground until we moved the deer.
I may rethink my tendency to do high heart/double lung, as none of the true shoulder shot deer even took a step. They hit the ground immediately. My wife's buck, his head was flopping around as he fell.
The best tracking scenario is when you don't have to track.
I like the shot in the crease which takes out the top of the heart and front of the lungs. I've shot two deer like that this year, one at 25 yards and the other at 330 yards. Both were DRT. Sometimes they will run a short distance with this shot, but with a good, fast expanding bullet they will not go far, usually less than 50 yards. Yes, ballistic tip bullets work VERY well for this shot. 
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: riflenut]
#2654445
11/27/18 09:37 PM
11/27/18 09:37 PM
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Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,739 Jasper, Alabama
ValleyDawg
8 point
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CoreLokts are great.........CoreLokts suck. Hornady's hit like Thor's hammer..........I lost 3 deer shooting Hornady's. Ballistic tips leave em all DRT............Ballistic tips blow up like grenades.
Shot placement is far more important than what you're placing. This pretty well sums up almost every thread on aldeer  .
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Re: ? about bullets that don’t leave blood trail
[Re: ValleyDawg]
#2654556
11/27/18 10:46 PM
11/27/18 10:46 PM
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Posts: 4,597 Elmore county
GKelly
10 point
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I will also add that exit holes and tracking aren't much of an issue when you shoot neck shots. Granted, I understand that you can't get a neck shot in every circumstance, but in most cases at moderate yardage, if you can line a up a shoulder shot, you have time to line up a neck shot.
I used to shoot shoulders because I thought that they wouldn't go very far if they didn't go down right away. None ever went far but after shooting a couple that way and ruining perfectly good meat I started to shoot behind the shoulder. Worked pretty good but it wasn't uncommon for deer to go jump right in the thickest briars around. Not hard to find but a pain to drag out. I switched to neck shots and haven't had a deer take a step after getting shot since, and I don't lose much meat. ive been doing the same thing past few years a good shot to the center of the neck knocks em down instantly only time ill shoot shoulder is if its a trophy i aim for larger target or if its on the move
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