is sad so many has to seek hope from a god . is there no hope with out him ?

why does a good man have to be godly or can you be a good man with out being godly ??

That's the issue, that man doesn't exist. That's behavioral-modification-understanding at it's finest, it's the baseline/default mentality of humanity, it's all about my behavior. It's the single biggest obstacle to evangelizing the unbeliever too. By and large, most people think they are good. I behave good, I think nice thoughts, I help people, I don't commit crime, etc. I think the single biggest error of understanding BOTH with believers inside the church, and with unbelievers outside the church (usually about those inside the church) is that one's behavior has anything whatsoever to do with Christianity. In fact, it's the single greatest cause of unbelief, and the literal reason Christians are thought of as hypocrites. I always have this image burned in my mind of this guy saying, "I'm good as you are, preacher." And he was right. And he was wrong. And that entire understanding has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of Christianity. Most people read the parable of the "prodigal son" (really it should be the prodigal Father) and always believe we are the younger son who ran away. No sir, we are the jackass older brother who believes our "good behavior" should've earned us greater favor. "Father I've always acted right, I deserve it! So why are you giving it to the son who ran off and acted bad??" No man will ever burn in Hell for harm he's done. No man will ever escape Hell because he was godly. No man IS godly because of anything about himself whatsoever. That simply ain't how it works (yet even most Christians think it is) "If we could just get this country to be godly, people would act right." Eh, well, um...sounds all pretty, ain't gonna happen. But anyway...

You aren't born going to Heaven, then relegated to Hell because you acted badly. Conversely you aren't then restored back to Heaven because you chose to act godly, said I'm sorry, etc.
You were born going to Hell and will remain so unless God changes your mind about who Jesus is and what you are to do about it. Even then, your behavior might not change much, you may not have been a bad behaver to start with. YOU don't have anything to do with it. You can't help it, you can't hurt it. You were born that way, it's not your mind and your hands, it's your very fiber of being. You were not obrn just a little spiritually sick, you were born spiritually dead, and that's as bad as it gets. You, Mother Teresa, and Charles Manson were all born on equal footing with the Lord (completely separated from Him), and COULD die on equal footing with the Lord (completely separated from Him). It has NOTHING to do with your behavior. You don't decide to be good or bad, you already are bad. This is not a bell curve or a graph chart, YOU aren't the measuring stick whatsoever. Manson won't be in Hell for killing or acting evil, but because he was separated from God. Mother Teresa won't go to Heaven because she was loving and helpful, but only if she was drawn by the Spirit to trust Jesus.

In scripture when Jesus exclaimed from the cross, "It is finished!!!", he meant the plan to make you NOT SEPARATED from God anymore was finished. This is not about being good or bad, it is about being separated from God or not. Those of us who are "with" God still act like idiots and jackasses all the time!...trust me, it ain't about our behavior (thank God). The "hope" we talked about way back at the first of this thread isn't about hoping for political victory, or hoping people won't be idiots anymore. That will NEVER happen, stop it, it's foolishness and ignorance of unbelief.