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Re: This kinda upsets me...
#26754
11/21/08 07:20 AM
11/21/08 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by ElkHunter:
antlerhunter, The DCNR asked us to do this. You guys crack me up. You have no clue what is going on, you just ASSUME we are going to pick and choose. Ask anyone that has came out and see what they say.
It is NOT politics and buddies. In fact, I am really surprised at how many NEW and good (lots of years experiece and lots of kills) bowhunters have signed up and wanted to help out. Guess not everyone is interested in just complaining.
Just a few weeks ago you told of a man that called and told you that he had killed several deer on Oak Mountain and you assured him that he would get to hunt. Isn't that you picking and choosing?
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 09:22 AM
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Dead horse, meet stick.
:rolleyes:
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Clem: Dead horse, meet stick.
:rolleyes: So is socialized medicine so I guess we should drop that too. Just because it has been discussed, doesn't make what is happening right. Giving the hunting priviledges on a piece of state owned property that the public has shown an interest in hunting to a group that can pick and choose who they want to let hunt is not right. If they needed to kill more deer, they could have more hunts or more hunters per hunt to try to meet their goal while still allowing all residents who are interested to have an equal opportunity to participate.
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 10:22 AM
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The continued picking gets old.
I did it, too. I said my piece about the bow hunt and moved on.
The first Advisory Board meeting will be in February. Anyone who doesn't like the park setup should make plans to attend and complain there, too.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 10:41 AM
11/21/08 10:41 AM
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Yep, it's his job to "pick and choose" who gets to hunt. Bottom line.....they want deer killed, PERIOD!!! They want hunters that can get the job done. This isn't a recreational hunt folks. It's a herd reduction. The way it was being run before wasn't getting the job done. Damn, folks will bitch about anything.
"I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it." Captain Woodrow F. Call
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 10:49 AM
11/21/08 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Shaw: Yep, it's his job to "pick and choose" who gets to hunt. Bottom line.....they want deer killed, [b]PERIOD!!! They want hunters that can get the job done. This isn't a recreational hunt folks. It's a herd reduction. The way it was being run before wasn't getting the job done. Damn, folks will bitch about anything. [/b] I don't believe that is 100% true Shaw. If they really just wanted deer killed, sharpshooters would be much more efficient.
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 12:18 PM
11/21/08 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by jlccoffee: Originally posted by ElkHunter: [b]
antlerhunter, The DCNR asked us to do this. You guys crack me up. You have no clue what is going on, you just ASSUME we are going to pick and choose. Ask anyone that has came out and see what they say.
It is NOT politics and buddies. In fact, I am really surprised at how many NEW and good (lots of years experiece and lots of kills) bowhunters have signed up and wanted to help out. Guess not everyone is interested in just complaining.
Just a few weeks ago you told of a man that called and told you that he had killed several deer on Oak Mountain and you assured him that he would get to hunt. Isn't that you picking and choosing? [/b]I guess it is just impossible to make some of you happy. The guy you are referring to is a crossbow hunter that was very successful last year. I would be a complete idiot if I didn't pick him for the hunt.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 12:22 PM
11/21/08 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by jlccoffee: Originally posted by Shaw: [b] Yep, it's his job to "pick and choose" who gets to hunt. Bottom line.....they want deer killed, [b]PERIOD!!! They want hunters that can get the job done. This isn't a recreational hunt folks. It's a herd reduction. The way it was being run before wasn't getting the job done. Damn, folks will bitch about anything. [/b] I don't believe that is 100% true Shaw. If they really just wanted deer killed, sharpshooters would be much more efficient. [/b]I love folks complaining about something they know NOTHING about. So, far every hunter except one that has passed the proficiency test has been selected. So, that sorta blows the crap out of your "pick and choose" complaint doesn't it! You got anything else to complain about? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 12:57 PM
11/21/08 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by ElkHunter: Originally posted by jlccoffee: [b] Originally posted by ElkHunter: [b]
antlerhunter, The DCNR asked us to do this. You guys crack me up. You have no clue what is going on, you just ASSUME we are going to pick and choose. Ask anyone that has came out and see what they say.
It is NOT politics and buddies. In fact, I am really surprised at how many NEW and good (lots of years experiece and lots of kills) bowhunters have signed up and wanted to help out. Guess not everyone is interested in just complaining.
Just a few weeks ago you told of a man that called and told you that he had killed several deer on Oak Mountain and you assured him that he would get to hunt. Isn't that you picking and choosing? [/b] I guess it is just impossible to make some of you happy. The guy you are referring to is a crossbow hunter that was very successful last year. I would be a complete idiot if I didn't pick him for the hunt. [/b]That's exactly the point. Why should you get the authority to pick who hunts on land that is owned by all of us? Before we had a fair, lottery type system. Now we have you picking who hunts. Early in the post you said you didn't pick who hunted. Now you say you picked that guy. Which is it?
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 01:00 PM
11/21/08 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by ElkHunter: Originally posted by jlccoffee: [b] Originally posted by Shaw: [b] Yep, it's his job to "pick and choose" who gets to hunt. Bottom line.....they want deer killed, [b]PERIOD!!! They want hunters that can get the job done. This isn't a recreational hunt folks. It's a herd reduction. The way it was being run before wasn't getting the job done. Damn, folks will bitch about anything. [/b] I don't believe that is 100% true Shaw. If they really just wanted deer killed, sharpshooters would be much more efficient. [/b] I love folks complaining about something they know NOTHING about. So, far every hunter except one that has passed the proficiency test has been selected. So, that sorta blows the crap out of your "pick and choose" complaint doesn't it! You got anything else to complain about? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: [/b]Sure.....so is it first come first serve? Why was the one not picked?
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 02:13 PM
11/21/08 02:13 PM
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No it wasn't first come first served. If I had had to many folks show up I would have had to rank and select. We have had 93 pass. Not all of them can make all 4 hunts. So, it has worked out where we have the right number of hunters for the job without having to "pick & choose".
jcoffee, I sent you a PM about the reason. I don't want to post it here for obvious reasons.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/21/08 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Clem: Bad breath? Nope, he favored you!
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/22/08 08:07 AM
11/22/08 08:07 AM
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I think it becomes a problem when a group that lobbies the gov't takes over a public hunt and requires anyone who wants to participate to join the group.The money you pay to join could be used to go against something you are for or vice versa. You are just a number to the group.They use this to say "we have x number of members"to generate pull while lobbying. If it is all about the betterment for OM, then why didn't BHA run it w/o the membership requirement and just let it be known they are the ones running it,and would like you to join.Alot of people would be more inclined to join on their own than it being forced upon them.The way it is now,it looks like a fund raiser for BHA,whether they make a penny from it or not.
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/22/08 10:44 AM
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Hindsight being what it is.
A solution to this whole issue would have been to drop the price from $50 to $25 without the $6 dollar app fee. Everyone that passed the test and was chosen to hunt would get a complimentary membership to BHA.
New member could have been picked up and people hunting would have paid less.
Everyone would be happy.(almost)
And so I learned what solitude really was. It was raw material-awesome, mallleable, older than men or worlds or water. And it was merciless- for it let a man become precisely what he alone made of himself.--Gus Orviston
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/22/08 11:43 AM
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Nope, people would still whine and bitch about it. :rolleyes:
"I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it." Captain Woodrow F. Call
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/22/08 12:18 PM
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The fee was dropped from $50 to $10 per hunt and they still aren't happy.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: This kinda upsets me...
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11/22/08 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by BAMA RUGER: I think it becomes a problem when a group that lobbies the gov't takes over a public hunt and requires anyone who wants to participate to join the group.The money you pay to join could be used to go against something you are for or vice versa. You are just a number to the group.They use this to say "we have x number of members"to generate pull while lobbying. If it is all about the betterment for OM, then why didn't BHA run it w/o the membership requirement and just let it be known they are the ones running it,and would like you to join.Alot of people would be more inclined to join on their own than it being forced upon them.The way it is now,it looks like a fund raiser for BHA,whether they make a penny from it or not. Bama, Just a number to the group! LOL Have you ever attended a BHA event before? Our members bend over backwards to make our events fun, safe, and focused on family. We are all volunteers. When we were asked to do this by the DCNR, I started doing research on other states that had urban deer control programs. A group from PA was extremely helpful. But, they told me that we would get hammered by lots of folks about the program no matter how it was set up. He also told me that over 90% of the complaints would come from hunters. Damn, he was understating it. So far, we haven't had a single complaint from an anti!
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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