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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: Mbrock] #2674359
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.



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Looks to be a big land owner/farm estate just across CR 9 and across shultz creek. If you are serious enough to give exact directions where you shot the buck then you should at least go ask the neighbors to look.

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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: 2Dogs] #2674363
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


same folks that want to shoot a 223, or a 9mm pistol to kill deer. Shoot a damn deer rifle that will get the job done.


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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: BhamFred] #2674371
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


same folks that want to shoot a 223, or a 9mm pistol to kill deer. Shoot a damn deer rifle that will get the job done.

I agree about the 9mm but I got a 13yrold daughter that will tell you that a 223 will cleanly kill a deer and also a photo album full of pics of dead hogs that that fell to the 223. Shoot where they live and they will not make it far.

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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: BassCat] #2674378
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Marsh, I agree a 223 WILL kill deer and yer daughter prolly wouldn't go if she had to shoot a 30/06. My grandson started with a 223, killed a deer and hog. But it sure as hell isn't as good a deer killer as a 270W by a long shot. And in take em as they come deer hunting that 223 will let you down by wounding or not letting you take a marginal shot that a 270 can handle.

I've killed every one of over a dozen deer i've shot with a 22lr standard velocity hp, and short hps . DRT. It doesn't make a 22lr a deer rifle.

My 270W loaded with 130 gr Nosler Partitions will kill EVERY deer at any range, at any angle, any size. A 223 won't do that. Been there done that. I've seen neck shot deer with a 223 run off wobbling and need a back up shot with a bigger gun. Range was too far and bullet mushroomed against the spine, damaging but not dropping the deer.


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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: 2Dogs] #2674391
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


Tru Dat. I feel the same way about neck shooting deer 😏


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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: BhamFred] #2674405
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Marsh, I agree a 223 WILL kill deer and yer daughter prolly wouldn't go if she had to shoot a 30/06. My grandson started with a 223, killed a deer and hog. But it sure as hell isn't as good a deer killer as a 270W by a long shot. And in take em as they come deer hunting that 223 will let you down by wounding or not letting you take a marginal shot that a 270 can handle.

I've killed every one of over a dozen deer i've shot with a 22lr standard velocity hp, and short hps . DRT. It doesn't make a 22lr a deer rifle.

My 270W loaded with 130 gr Nosler Partitions will kill EVERY deer at any range, at any angle, any size. A 223 won't do that. Been there done that. I've seen neck shot deer with a 223 run off wobbling and need a back up shot with a bigger gun. Range was too far and bullet mushroomed against the spine, damaging but not dropping the deer.

I agree 100% that the bigger rifle is better and hopefully this will be her last season with the 223. She is 2 for 2 with it but I keep her shots to a reasonable distance. She is an excellent shot with HER as she calls it AR15 223 and I'm afraid she ain't gonna give up HER 223 very easily. Im gonna step her up to the 6.8spc,6,5gendel or the 7.62x39 in the AR platforms I built.


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Originally Posted by marshmud991
Originally Posted by BhamFred
Marsh, I agree a 223 WILL kill deer and yer daughter prolly wouldn't go if she had to shoot a 30/06. My grandson started with a 223, killed a deer and hog. But it sure as hell isn't as good a deer killer as a 270W by a long shot. And in take em as they come deer hunting that 223 will let you down by wounding or not letting you take a marginal shot that a 270 can handle.

I've killed every one of over a dozen deer i've shot with a 22lr standard velocity hp, and short hps . DRT. It doesn't make a 22lr a deer rifle.

My 270W loaded with 130 gr Nosler Partitions will kill EVERY deer at any range, at any angle, any size. A 223 won't do that. Been there done that. I've seen neck shot deer with a 223 run off wobbling and need a back up shot with a bigger gun. Range was too far and bullet mushroomed against the spine, damaging but not dropping the deer.

I agree 100% that the bigger rifle is better and hopefully this will be her last season with the 223. She is 2 for 2 with it but I keep her shots to a reasonable distance. She is an excellent shot with HER as she calls it AR15 223 and I'm afraid she ain't gonna give up HER 223 very easily. Im gonna step her up to the 6.8spc,6,5gendel or the 7.62x39 in the AR platforms I built.

Didn't u just finish a 7.62 built for her grin


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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: BassCat] #2674408
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You could just get her on a suppressed 308 very easily.


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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


Tru Dat. I feel the same way about neck shooting deer 😏


...or head shots. Very low percentage shot, and any small error can cause a very inhumane death for the deer weeks later.


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Re: Tracking dog needed [Re: BhamFred] #2674411
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


same folks that want to shoot a 223, or a 9mm pistol to kill deer. Shoot a damn deer rifle that will get the job done.



And lets not leave the big bore, super duper magnum boys out who think they can shoot them anywhere above the knee caps and kill them.



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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


same folks that want to shoot a 223, or a 9mm pistol to kill deer. Shoot a damn deer rifle that will get the job done.



And lets not leave the big bore, super duper magnum boys out who think they can shoot them anywhere above the knee caps and kill them.

I still remember my buddy's exact words. "All I have to do is hit em with this 300mag and they are dead". After he lost the 3rd deer he put that thing up and went back to his very nice fine shooting rem 700 270. Ain't lost a deer since. It would kick the dog chit outa him and he would flinch bad.


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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
You could just get her on a suppressed 308 very easily.

SHHHH!!!! Santa clause may be working on her a nice little bolt action. She just got it in her head that she is gonna hunt with one of those ARs. You know"it's cool".
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marsh my buddy has a BNL like that. He has a fine 300mag, topped with a 2,500 hundred dollar scope, and yet he can't hit an oak tree at 50 yards grin He flinches bad, and my buddy's told him numerous times to either practice more, or start shooting a smaller caliber, but he won't have none of it slap


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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


Tru Dat. I feel the same way about neck shooting deer 😏


I'll take a deer quartering to me neck shot 100 times out of 100. I put the crosshairs on the base of the neck, in front of the shoulder, squeeze the trigger and go get the truck or 4 wheeler. I don't shoot every deer in the neck but if they're quartering to me I do. I have killed 15 or so that way I guess and not one of them has taken another step.


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Originally Posted by FurFlyin
Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Mbrock
One thing is for sure, a double lung is a very large target, and is 100% fatal every time, with a very short tracking job. I have never understood the reasoning behind trying to break every deer down with a high shoulder shot. It’s a very small target, and if you’re off a couple of inches you get a deer that runs off with little chance at recovery. Deer can’t live if their lungs are full of blood.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! Why do folks wanta get cute loco, take the high percentage shot and load the deer in the truck.


Tru Dat. I feel the same way about neck shooting deer 😏


I'll take a deer quartering to me neck shot 100 times out of 100. I put the crosshairs on the base of the neck, in front of the shoulder, squeeze the trigger and go get the truck or 4 wheeler. I don't shoot every deer in the neck but if they're quartering to me I do. I have killed 15 or so that way I guess and not one of them has taken another step.


Yeah, but you're still driving the bullet through the deer's boiler room.

Pretty sure James was talking about folks taking standing broadside neck shots.


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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Marsh, I agree a 223 WILL kill deer and yer daughter prolly wouldn't go if she had to shoot a 30/06. My grandson started with a 223, killed a deer and hog. But it sure as hell isn't as good a deer killer as a 270W by a long shot. And in take em as they come deer hunting that 223 will let you down by wounding or not letting you take a marginal shot that a 270 can handle.

I've killed every one of over a dozen deer i've shot with a 22lr standard velocity hp, and short hps . DRT. It doesn't make a 22lr a deer rifle.

My 270W loaded with 130 gr Nosler Partitions will kill EVERY deer at any range, at any angle, any size. A 223 won't do that. Been there done that. I've seen neck shot deer with a 223 run off wobbling and need a back up shot with a bigger gun. Range was too far and bullet mushroomed against the spine, damaging but not dropping the deer.



you hit the nail on the head right there. waiting on the the shot that a gun/ammo can make will cost you some nice deer . i dont like bad angle shot but i'll take one ever time if i think thats all i'll get . why i shot a gun that shoots a bullet that will expand good and exit from any angle . busting the gut dont bother me , what they made hose pipes for . lol

i have hunted that way for many years and have put many deer in the truck .

buttttttt , no matter what you shot enough at some point you gonna lose a deer .

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Originally Posted by James
marsh my buddy has a BNL like that. He has a fine 300mag, topped with a 2,500 hundred dollar scope, and yet he can't hit an oak tree at 50 yards grin He flinches bad, and my buddy's told him numerous times to either practice more, or start shooting a smaller caliber, but he won't have none of it slap



i've seen the same thing as you two . over gunning is just as bad and under gunning . i've seen guys go to heavy hitting rifles a couldn't shot them for nothing . heavy recoil aint for ever body . once you get that flinch it hard to rid of at times .

my opinion is shot the biggest you can and be accurate with it . know your limits !!!!!

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I'm still wondering if a tracking dog ever got a chance to try and find the deer.


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