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Re: Mississippi Bill Introduced To Ban Feeding Deer [Re: centralala] #2717467
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Originally Posted by centralala
A few things I can't get past in my simple mind. First is how the very first animal got TSE. We will probably never know. Second is how a prion can survive temperatures that have been tested up to 2000 degrees or radiation. Just doesn't seem possible.


don't have that answer, but scrappy in sheep has been know of since the 1700s in Europe. Brought to the US with the sheep.


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Re: Mississippi Bill Introduced To Ban Feeding Deer [Re: Runningdeer] #2717507
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Do you know if the scrappy disease transferred to the wild sheep or goats in those areas around the research pens? It seems to me that would have been the logical thing to happen.

Re: Mississippi Bill Introduced To Ban Feeding Deer [Re: timbercruiser] #2717573
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
Do you know if the scrappy disease transferred to the wild sheep or goats in those areas around the research pens? It seems to me that would have been the logical thing to happen.


I don't know of any transference thru the fence....but there was a lot of infection spread to deer and elk within a few miles of the pens where infected deer were turned loose. I don't think there were any wild sheep or goats around the pens.


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Re: Mississippi Bill Introduced To Ban Feeding Deer [Re: BhamFred] #2717647
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Originally Posted by BhamFred


speaking of the you know....

CWD has NOT always been in the soil. Period . Once it gets there it may well always be there. No existence of CWD prior to 1965


Maybe not by that name, but isn't it the same prions that cause scrappie?



Re: Mississippi Bill Introduced To Ban Feeding Deer [Re: BhamFred] #2717680
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Ike, I don't think so. I have studied CWD for more than35 years. In the 90s one researcher back traced every known CWD occurrence in the US and Canada and EVERY SINGLE ONE backtracked to Ft Collins and the research station there where the early (1965) research was done. If you look at a new map of known CWD you will see a huge red spot just north of Ft Collins where those same researchers turned loose extra does from the pens back to the wild. Anyone who has really studied the history of CWD in the US can come to no other conclusion than it originated in the research pens at FT Collins.

One of the grad student researchers, Beth Williams, who later got her doctorate and identified CWD as a TSE disease said she thought that they(the researchers) had accidentally set the stage for the birth of a new disease.


Troy, what was the original problem they were trying to solve? Stories like this don't inspire me to want to give more control of our wildlife resources to government.


Steve, the researchers were doing something concerning mule deer, don't remember what now. They trapped bred mule deer does and placed them in a large research pen that had previously held scrappy infected sheep that were being studied by some other researchers. When the study ended they killed all the sheep. Afterwards the deer were placed in the same pens that were saturated with sheep urine/droppings/etc. After the does had the fawns the does were released back just north of Ft Collins, and others were sent to zoos, enclosures, other research areas in western states. The prevailing thought at the time was that Scrappie, being a TSE disease, was species specific. Which, it turns out, wasn't the case. Due to the lone incubation period the deer didn't show any signs of being sick when they were released or shipped out to other places.


Thanks for the info. Putting deer into infected sheep pens and then releasing them into the wild is something that I would have thought anyone would realize might be a bad idea.


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Re: Mississippi Bill Introduced To Ban Feeding Deer [Re: Runningdeer] #2717947
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The prevailing scientific knowledge at the time (1965...pre Mad Cow) said that the disease wouldn't jump to a new species.

CWD IS scrappy...just in deer instead of sheep, like Mad Cow in cows is the same.

Sheep raisers/breeders have eliminated scrappy as a problem by careful breeding of scrappy resistant sheep. Same thing could probably be done with deer thru forward thinking deer breeders.


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Re: Mississippi Bill Introduced To Ban Feeding Deer [Re: BhamFred] #2718132
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
The prevailing scientific knowledge at the time (1965...pre Mad Cow) said that the disease wouldn't jump to a new species.

CWD IS scrappy...just in deer instead of sheep, like Mad Cow in cows is the same.

Sheep raisers/breeders have eliminated scrappy as a problem by careful breeding of scrappy resistant sheep. Same thing could probably be done with deer thru forward thinking deer breeders.


If a certain percentage of deer are naturally immune to it over enough years this would happen on its own in the wild. Would just be a slow process, Mother Nature usually works pretty slow.


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