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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: Ragin-Cajun]
#2740323
02/17/19 12:10 PM
02/17/19 12:10 PM
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Your mom’s house
doekiller
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are you in any of the pictures with the deer? That would be relevant. But I suspect that FB post says something like "here's the deer I killed". hearsay...... Not hearsay.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
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#2740334
02/17/19 12:35 PM
02/17/19 12:35 PM
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Your mom’s house
doekiller
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OP I like most of the rest of us think this is ridiculous. They made the silly law for 100 yards and out of site.
Just for the record...I didnt put out corn in my feed sites. during season..only 200 pounds total...I just didnt want to risk it. And after baiting all year in KY I can tell you corn is NO magic bullet to big bucks at least.
Any deer unless high shoulder, neck or spined will easily run 120 yards. This should be an easy one to win , though the law is written to include "affected area".
Was this deer coming to the corn? They leave that at the Wardens discretion through ambiguity in the wording IMO. Your case is exactly what folks have talked about on here in one way, but a dead deer, lying in the feed he most likely went to 3 to 4 nights a week is Proof of hunting over corn/bait? Then they truly need to make it legal or Illegal..one or the other.
good luck and Im sure Im speaking for a majority here..we look forward to seeing the outcome.
Id love to see doekillers or Lonsters opinion on the matter. They are both Juris Doctorate's. Please pipe in yall if you read this..and Im pretty sure Scott has if I were to guess. He doesnt seem to miss much.
But Troy ( Bhamfred) thinking it wont fly? Hes an ex warden OP. Id trust his call. Love to see what Mbrock and dang Nighthunter would think as well, but they are MIA lately, regrettably. Sorry, I don’t give out legal advise on Aldeer any longer. There are too many “legal experts” on this site that know everything already.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: doekiller]
#2740338
02/17/19 12:41 PM
02/17/19 12:41 PM
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upatree
rulebreaker
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Oh yes you do. You just do it selectively, when you want to. You have also said this before, however, you do have the right to remain silent... lol
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: War87Eagle]
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02/17/19 12:48 PM
02/17/19 12:48 PM
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Buc-ee’s Beach Express
leroycnbucks
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Maybe a little deer to you but from where he came from he is a nice one to me. We all are entitled to our own opinion though. Good luck to you young man and I hope everything works out. Don’t let this experience set you back. Keep on enjoying this thing we all love called deer hunting. And keep on posting here.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran
God Bless America!
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/17/19 01:08 PM
02/17/19 01:08 PM
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Ok......
I looked again; close.
That deer is taking his last breaths, but is still technically alive, in the scope pic. Nor is there any sign of drag marks around, behind or in front of him.
He is laying exactly where he was shot.
I did not go to FB and point this out to attack anybody.
But, it is posted on here asking for opinions.
So, that is mine. Yeah, I thought the same thing. That's why I asked, and got no response, if the pic was taken from his stand. That deer does not look dead in that pic to me...and probably not to the game warden, either. And, it's a very odd angle to take the pic at if he weren't still in his stand.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/17/19 01:14 PM
02/17/19 01:14 PM
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coffee county
goodman_hunter
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Booner
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That scope sure does pic up alot of light. That looks like dusk time in pic.
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: Hogwild]
#2740355
02/17/19 01:17 PM
02/17/19 01:17 PM
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Alabama
Cactus_buck
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Ok......
I looked again; close.
That deer is taking his last breaths, but is still technically alive, in the scope pic. Nor is there any sign of drag marks around, behind or in front of him.
He is laying exactly where he was shot.
I did not go to FB and point this out to attack anybody.
But, it is posted on here asking for opinions.
So, that is mine. A picture is worth a thousand words. But you can’t tell if that deer is breathing or not UNLESS it’s a live picture. You may assume or perceive that he’s still alive but you cannot truly tell from a picture. His eyes are open and he’s on the ground and it’s still daylight. That’s the only facts that I gathered from that picture.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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02/17/19 01:17 PM
02/17/19 01:17 PM
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Longwood, FL
jlbuc10
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That scope sure does pic up alot of light. That looks like dusk time in pic. There’s a time stamp on the scope picture. 17:34
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: hunterbuck]
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02/17/19 01:18 PM
02/17/19 01:18 PM
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War87Eagle
OP
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Ok......
I looked again; close.
That deer is taking his last breaths, but is still technically alive, in the scope pic. Nor is there any sign of drag marks around, behind or in front of him.
He is laying exactly where he was shot.
I did not go to FB and point this out to attack anybody.
But, it is posted on here asking for opinions.
So, that is mine. Yeah, I thought the same thing. That's why I asked, and got no response, if the pic was taken from his stand. That deer does not look dead in that pic to me...and probably not to the game warden, either. And, it's a very odd angle to take the pic at if he weren't still in his stand. Thank you for your opinion. The picture from my scope was NOT taken from my climber. I pulled him to that location to load him in my truck. I changed the batteries in the scope as I caught my breath. Stud up after a few min of resting, took the picture with my scope then went to get my truck. Yes I asked for opinions and thank you for yours.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: War87Eagle]
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02/17/19 01:32 PM
02/17/19 01:32 PM
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Posts: 12,788
Thomasville, AL
Hogwild
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Thomasville, AL
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There is actually a good deal of science behind it.....not all opinion. Deer have pigmented sclera, a defense mechanism that prevents predators from being able to tell exactly where they are looking. And, hence the ‘whites’ of their eyes is only visible when stressed. When relaxed, such as when they are dead, the whites do not show. But, heck, maybe the GW and Judge don’t know that!! 
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: doekiller]
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02/17/19 01:35 PM
02/17/19 01:35 PM
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Posts: 212
Montgomery County, AL
Ragin-Cajun
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Montgomery County, AL
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are you in any of the pictures with the deer? That would be relevant. But I suspect that FB post says something like "here's the deer I killed". hearsay...... Not hearsay. disagree. i'd argue photos on a social media platform are hearsay as they have not been authenticated (all depending what he admitted to the warden during interrogation and is he in the photos) or proper foundation established for their admissibility.... the prosecutor could send a subpoena to Facebook as i recently read somewhere that social media records are now admissible as “self-authenticating” business records under Federal Rules of Evidence? prosecutor at least will have to jump thru some foundation hoops or have strong circumstantial evidence that this account is actually his.. (unless he hung himself during interrogation)
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: doekiller]
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02/17/19 01:49 PM
02/17/19 01:49 PM
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outdoorobsession
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OP I like most of the rest of us think this is ridiculous. They made the silly law for 100 yards and out of site.
Just for the record...I didnt put out corn in my feed sites. during season..only 200 pounds total...I just didnt want to risk it. And after baiting all year in KY I can tell you corn is NO magic bullet to big bucks at least.
Any deer unless high shoulder, neck or spined will easily run 120 yards. This should be an easy one to win , though the law is written to include "affected area".
Was this deer coming to the corn? They leave that at the Wardens discretion through ambiguity in the wording IMO. Your case is exactly what folks have talked about on here in one way, but a dead deer, lying in the feed he most likely went to 3 to 4 nights a week is Proof of hunting over corn/bait? Then they truly need to make it legal or Illegal..one or the other.
good luck and Im sure Im speaking for a majority here..we look forward to seeing the outcome.
Id love to see doekillers or Lonsters opinion on the matter. They are both Juris Doctorate's. Please pipe in yall if you read this..and Im pretty sure Scott has if I were to guess. He doesnt seem to miss much.
But Troy ( Bhamfred) thinking it wont fly? Hes an ex warden OP. Id trust his call. Love to see what Mbrock and dang Nighthunter would think as well, but they are MIA lately, regrettably. Sorry, I don’t give out legal advise on Aldeer any longer. There are too many “legal experts” on this site that know everything already. I understand Scott.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: War87Eagle]
#2740381
02/17/19 01:58 PM
02/17/19 01:58 PM
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coffee county
goodman_hunter
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Booner
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coffee county
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Question to OP
How long was the conversation between you and gw?
"A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers"
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/17/19 02:09 PM
02/17/19 02:09 PM
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Posts: 6,814
Hoover (poor section)
Johnal3
it froze over
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it froze over
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There is actually a good deal of science behind it.....not all opinion. Deer have pigmented sclera, a defense mechanism that prevents predators from being able to tell exactly where they are looking. And, hence the ‘whites’ of their eyes is only visible when stressed. When relaxed, such as when they are dead, the whites do not show. But, heck, maybe the GW and Judge don’t know that!! Always siding with the GW's.  That deer does have the, "sonofamotherhumpingoat, I just got shot" look. Mouth open, bug eyes. My opinion also is that this deer was just shot and this dude is lying thru his teeth. If you think people are stupid and won't call you out after paying attention to your pictures, then you deserve everything you get. It's an insult to all of our intelligence to think people are dumb enough to not see that this deer was just shot and was still alive in the scope pic.
This is Aldeer! The place people come to vent their frustrations and completely change their stance a few minutes later...
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: Ragin-Cajun]
#2740395
02/17/19 02:21 PM
02/17/19 02:21 PM
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Posts: 33,437
Your mom’s house
doekiller
Freak of Nature
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disagree. i'd argue photos on a social media platform are hearsay as they have not been authenticated (all depending what he admitted to the warden during interrogation and is he in the photos) or proper foundation established for their admissibility.... the prosecutor could send a subpoena to Facebook as i recently read somewhere that social media records are now admissible as “self-authenticating” business records under Federal Rules of Evidence? prosecutor at least will have to jump thru some foundation hoops or have strong circumstantial evidence that this account is actually his.. (unless he hung himself during interrogation) See what I mean about the experts.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: Hogwild]
#2740417
02/17/19 02:58 PM
02/17/19 02:58 PM
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marshmud991
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Ok......
I looked again; close.
That deer is taking his last breaths, but is still technically alive, in the scope pic. Nor is there any sign of drag marks around, behind or in front of him.
He is laying exactly where he was shot.
I did not go to FB and point this out to attack anybody.
But, it is posted on here asking for opinions.
So, that is mine. That's a damn good eye,Sir 
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: doekiller]
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02/17/19 02:58 PM
02/17/19 02:58 PM
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AL/GA
Bamaturkeykilla
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disagree. i'd argue photos on a social media platform are hearsay as they have not been authenticated (all depending what he admitted to the warden during interrogation and is he in the photos) or proper foundation established for their admissibility.... the prosecutor could send a subpoena to Facebook as i recently read somewhere that social media records are now admissible as “self-authenticating” business records under Federal Rules of Evidence? prosecutor at least will have to jump thru some foundation hoops or have strong circumstantial evidence that this account is actually his.. (unless he hung himself during interrogation) See what I mean about the experts. Maybe they all stay at Holiday Inn Express's.
There are two rules for success: 1. Never tell everything you know.
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait
[Re: ford150man]
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02/17/19 03:09 PM
02/17/19 03:09 PM
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Dale County, AL
DGAMBLER
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This doesn’t make a bit of difference now, and I truly mean no disrespect, but if it truly happened just as you say...WOW, what a boneheaded decision to take the pic with corn visible, and then make the pic public. You had to have known it would raise questions. You said you took the pic at the closest location you could drive to. Could you not have drug the deer two feet in either direction where the corn wasn’t visible? THIS ^^^....or load the dang thang in the truck, then take pics
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