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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: War87Eagle] #2740477
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I guess if the deer was gutted it would also be more believable. If i have to drag i always gut first.

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: Powpow65] #2740499
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Originally Posted by Powpow65
I guess if the deer was gutted it would also be more believable. If i have to drag i always gut first.


I know a bunch of people that have never gutted one before dragging. Not saying I agree or disagree with the OP, but that particular statement just doesn't have any bearing on it.

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: jallencrockett] #2740505
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Originally Posted by jallencrockett
So they use the gps locator on GAME CHECK and compare to the gps meta data of corn pic with deer to prove you hunted within 100 yards.. Hmmmm its a theory.. lol

THIS! This is why they are pressing we get it on our phone... Got checked by a warden at barbour this year and i was ask by him did i have the app and i said no, he responded by saying i needed to get it, that they were trying to get everyone to go to it... ya i bet they are so they can walk up on you in the woods at any givin time they want..


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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: doekiller] #2740506
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Originally Posted by doekiller
Originally Posted by Ragin-Cajun
Originally Posted by doekiller

Not hearsay.

disagree. i'd argue photos on a social media platform are hearsay as they have not been authenticated (all depending what he admitted to the warden during interrogation and is he in the photos) or proper foundation established for their admissibility.... the prosecutor could send a subpoena to Facebook as i recently read somewhere that social media records are now admissible as “self-authenticating” business records under Federal Rules of Evidence? prosecutor at least will have to jump thru some foundation hoops or have strong circumstantial evidence that this account is actually his.. (unless he hung himself during interrogation)


See what I mean about the experts.

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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: doekiller] #2740507
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Originally Posted by doekiller
Originally Posted by Ragin-Cajun
Originally Posted by doekiller

Not hearsay.

disagree. i'd argue photos on a social media platform are hearsay as they have not been authenticated (all depending what he admitted to the warden during interrogation and is he in the photos) or proper foundation established for their admissibility.... the prosecutor could send a subpoena to Facebook as i recently read somewhere that social media records are now admissible as “self-authenticating” business records under Federal Rules of Evidence? prosecutor at least will have to jump thru some foundation hoops or have strong circumstantial evidence that this account is actually his.. (unless he hung himself during interrogation)


See what I mean about the experts.


I know..I saw that and thought the same thing immediately.

I guess he was never taught the difference between PHOTOGRAPHIC evidence, a photograph taken of the subject and or event at the time ( BTW ,..this one if from a cell phone containing metadata including the gps location and exact time/date taken by the defendent and posted on a public social media platform) and Hearsay evidence,The evidence of those who relate, not what they know themselves, but what they have heard from others.

And since the photo was posted by the defendant in this case, and the shooter, it can hardly be called hearsay as he was the one who shot the deer, took the photo and posted it, as well as related the circumstances to the warden. Im pretty sure the OP KNEW himself and didnt hear from others about the event. slap

At his law school the definitions must have differed Scott.

No offense Ragin Cajun..but Im kind of going with the REAL LAWYER on this, sorry. That would be Scott, or as he is known here ; doekiller.

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: Hogwild] #2740510
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Originally Posted by Hogwild
There is actually a good deal of science behind it.....not all opinion.

Deer have pigmented sclera, a defense mechanism that prevents predators from being able to tell exactly where they are looking. And, hence the ‘whites’ of their eyes is only visible when stressed. When relaxed, such as when they are dead, the whites do not show.

But, heck, maybe the GW and Judge don’t know that!! smile


Ruh Ro... grin The AlDetectives strike again. The knowledge base on here is pretty damn strong. You'd think people would learn...

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: War87Eagle] #2740515
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disagree. i'd argue photos on a social media platform are hearsay as they have not been authenticated (all depending what he admitted to the warden during interrogation and is he in the photos) or proper foundation established for their admissibility.... the prosecutor could send a subpoena to Facebook as i recently read somewhere that social media records are now admissible as “self-authenticating” business records under Federal Rules of Evidence? prosecutor at least will have to jump thru some foundation hoops or have strong circumstantial evidence that this account is actually his.. (unless he hung himself during interrogation)

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Umm..his photo is right there on the account as well as other pictures of him and video of HIM shooting deer.

Im pretty sure the prosecutor will not have any problems in proving the account is his, Im sure he admitted it during the interview with the warden and when asked he will have to admit it or plead the fifth to avoid perjuring himself.

Also he posted here on another social media platform that the facebook page IS his and that the deer is his. I dont think any hoop jumping will be necessary.

By the way, other individuals HAVE been found guilty from photos they posted right here on aldeer in the past...no problem.

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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: War87Eagle] #2740521
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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: War87Eagle] #2740589
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Hearsay and lack of authentication or lack of proper foundation are completely separate objections fellas

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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: Ant67] #2740610
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Originally Posted by Ant67
Hearsay and lack of authentication or lack of proper foundation are completely separate objections fellas

Come on, don’t be bring the law into this. grin

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: Powpow65] #2740614
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Originally Posted by Powpow65
I guess if the deer was gutted it would also be more believable. If i have to drag i always gut first.


I never gut a deer ever never. Take em home whole and gutless quarter em.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: BhamFred] #2740617
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Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by Powpow65
I guess if the deer was gutted it would also be more believable. If i have to drag i always gut first.


I never gut a deer ever never. Take em home whole and gutless quarter em.

I've never gut one in woods I thought that was for gurls... smile


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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: War87Eagle] #2740631
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I’ve only ever gutted two in the woods. The first was because I had to pack it out and the second was because the doe I shot ran down into a big hollow so I gutted her to lighten her up a bit.


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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: War87Eagle] #2740636
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Originally Posted by War87Eagle
I received a hunting over bait ticket today 2-16-19 (6 days after deer season). They have a FB post of mine printed off. In the post are 2 pictures of my 8point dead. One from my phone, one from my ATN digital scope. In the photos there is corn on the ground under his dead body. I killed him 120-140 yards away on a heavy trail where he was working a fake scrape I made that day. I cant drive to that location so I drug him to the closest place I can drive to (My feeding area) at this time I change the batteries in my scope and take a picture of him. Then I go get my truck and once back take a picture with my phone, load him up and head home.
I dont see how I can get a ticket for hunting over bait when they have not physically caught me doing it.

What are your thoughts on this?

The gamewarden cant write a ticket for something he didnt see you do Fight it

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: jb20] #2740640
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Originally Posted by jb20
Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by Powpow65
I guess if the deer was gutted it would also be more believable. If i have to drag i always gut first.


I never gut a deer ever never. Take em home whole and gutless quarter em.

I've never gut one in woods I thought that was for gurls... smile


How far do y'all drag them before loading them up?

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: Powpow65] #2740641
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Originally Posted by Powpow65
Originally Posted by jb20
Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by Powpow65
I guess if the deer was gutted it would also be more believable. If i have to drag i always gut first.


I never gut a deer ever never. Take em home whole and gutless quarter em.

I've never gut one in woods I thought that was for gurls... smile


How far do y'all drag them before loading them up?

I drug 2 last year over 500 yards this year longest was 250..200 was down hill thank God


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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: Hogwild] #2740654
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Originally Posted by Hogwild
Ok......

I looked again; close.

That deer is taking his last breaths, but is still technically alive, in the scope pic. Nor is there any sign of drag marks around, behind or in front of him.
He is laying exactly where he was shot.

I did not go to FB and point this out to attack anybody.
But, it is posted on here asking for opinions.
So, that is mine.

Sorry op but the bristled hair on neck , mouth gaping and whites of his eyes showing is a pretty open and shut case that the deer is lying exactly where it was shot. Pay the ticket and learn a lesson . If you wanna hunt over corn, do it. Probably won’t get caught again til your 45 . beers

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: Powpow65] #2740655
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Originally Posted by Powpow65
Originally Posted by jb20
Originally Posted by BhamFred
Originally Posted by Powpow65
I guess if the deer was gutted it would also be more believable. If i have to drag i always gut first.


I never gut a deer ever never. Take em home whole and gutless quarter em.

I've never gut one in woods I thought that was for gurls... smile


How far do y'all drag them before loading them up?


I try to shoot em in the road.... gun grin

wife shot a big buck several years ago way out in a very wet muddy greenfield, gonna be an uphill drag too. She shot him with my 264WM and he ran 200 yards to the chert road and fell five feet off the road on a elevated shoulder. Dropped the tailgate and slid him in the bed. Nice.


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Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: hvfs1118] #2740662
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Originally Posted by hvfs1118
Originally Posted by War87Eagle
I received a hunting over bait ticket today 2-16-19 (6 days after deer season). They have a FB post of mine printed off. In the post are 2 pictures of my 8point dead. One from my phone, one from my ATN digital scope. In the photos there is corn on the ground under his dead body. I killed him 120-140 yards away on a heavy trail where he was working a fake scrape I made that day. I cant drive to that location so I drug him to the closest place I can drive to (My feeding area) at this time I change the batteries in my scope and take a picture of him. Then I go get my truck and once back take a picture with my phone, load him up and head home.
I dont see how I can get a ticket for hunting over bait when they have not physically caught me doing it.

What are your thoughts on this?

The gamewarden cant write a ticket for something he didnt see you do Fight it


Yes they can.

Re: Proof requirements for hunting over bait [Re: War87Eagle] #2740668
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I shot a doe with my bow years ago that expired about 40yds from my truck.

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