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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: Southwood7]
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02/05/12 05:01 PM
02/05/12 05:01 PM
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I know there are several bucks that have been scored and made the b/c min that have never been entered.150's and 160's that are no where on paper.I'm only speaking 4 our corner of the state. I'm talking thru the years not just this season.
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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: truedouble]
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02/05/12 05:02 PM
02/05/12 05:02 PM
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Ok I will concede the 3%-5% for the sake of continuing my other argument......There are usually about 500,000 deer killed in the state I think. I am asumming that at least 100,000 or these are bucks???? If only 1% of those were 160+ that would still be 1000 per year killed in this state. How many do we have killed now that are that size???? 10.......20........100????? Nowhere near 1000.These numbers are ALL based on nothing just like the ones the state use,haha. But you are assuming that the 1% that make it to 160 are killed by a hunter. The discussion is about the number or percentage of deer that make it to 160, not that make it to 160 and are killed by a hunter. The ones that do make it to 160 are 95% of the time 4 years old or older and much harder to kill. To go back to your math you would need to figure out how many 4.5 year old bucks are killed and then multiply that times 2% and that would be approximately the number of 160's killed. So if 100,000 bucks are killed, probably only 5% are mature, which is 5000 bucks, then times 2% (the percentage that reach 160) which is 100 bucks over 160 per year. I would say there are easily 100 bucks per year killed that exceed 160 in Alabama. You're probably getting close with your 100 160s if your talking gross typical B&C. Someone mentioned those in B&C book. As far as net B&C in the books,that net 170 is waaaaay harder to obtain. Those last 10 inches are nearly impossible in Canada and the mid-West much less Alabama. Wonder what percent would net 170 in Alabama, tiny percent.
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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: cartervj]
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02/05/12 06:40 PM
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We have significantly reduced 1.5 yr bucks being killed simply by instating a 3 buck limit with only 1 being an AR added in. What is your source of information that you base that opinion on? The QDMA report you posted doesn't say where it got it's information from in Alabama. Who keeps up with the ages of bucks killed statewide in Alabama? [BTW: your QDMA report doesn't even show figures for pre-buck limit compared to post-buck limit.] the state WMA biologist have kept records of age, beam length weight and spread as well as condition of bucks for quiet some time now by the way, yesterday I had a lengthy talk with a friend/biologist about this whole discussion on here What did he have to say?
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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: 2Dogs]
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02/05/12 09:16 PM
02/05/12 09:16 PM
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Ok I will concede the 3%-5% for the sake of continuing my other argument......There are usually about 500,000 deer killed in the state I think. I am asumming that at least 100,000 or these are bucks???? If only 1% of those were 160+ that would still be 1000 per year killed in this state. How many do we have killed now that are that size???? 10.......20........100????? Nowhere near 1000.These numbers are ALL based on nothing just like the ones the state use,haha. But you are assuming that the 1% that make it to 160 are killed by a hunter. The discussion is about the number or percentage of deer that make it to 160, not that make it to 160 and are killed by a hunter. The ones that do make it to 160 are 95% of the time 4 years old or older and much harder to kill. To go back to your math you would need to figure out how many 4.5 year old bucks are killed and then multiply that times 2% and that would be approximately the number of 160's killed. So if 100,000 bucks are killed, probably only 5% are mature, which is 5000 bucks, then times 2% (the percentage that reach 160) which is 100 bucks over 160 per year. I would say there are easily 100 bucks per year killed that exceed 160 in Alabama. You're probably getting close with your 100 160s if your talking gross typical B&C. Someone mentioned those in B&C book. As far as net B&C in the books,that net 170 is waaaaay harder to obtain. Those last 10 inches are nearly impossible in Canada and the mid-West much less Alabama. Wonder what percent would net 170 in Alabama, tiny percent. Definitely talking about gross 160. My guess would be there are only a handful of true B&C bucks killed in Alabama every year. A few reported and a few probably not. Even the pro hunters that hunt in Iowa and Illinois for a living only seem to shoot a handful of booners in their hunting career. I'm pretty sure some of those guys have never even shot one. Some I guess are just luckier than others and seem to kill several. A net 170 is not only huge but nearly perfect in symmetry as well. Seems like most really huge bucks start growing trash around 4 which typically end up equating to too many deductions to net the 170.
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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: Southwood7]
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02/06/12 08:46 PM
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also that most of the time hunters overlook the obvious, thinking it's got to be some kinda great mystery when it usually is nature doing as nature does
checks and balances play out every year
160's are the exception to the rule and there is always exceptions to the rule, 130" is about avg for a 5.5-7.5 mature whitetail buck
Bottom line, soil is a big factor along side with age, I'll take a great soil area over a mature buck area all day long, just think of Iowa or WI, Buffalo Co that is.
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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: cartervj]
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02/07/12 06:44 PM
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I will still take age. All those places you mentioned are great but if you kill 90% of the 1 1/2 years olds there they wont be for long. Their 1 1/2 year olds are small 6's and 8's but they let them walk for the most part. Why??????? One buck limit for most people is enough to let them grow. also that most of the time hunters overlook the obvious, thinking it's got to be some kinda great mystery when it usually is nature doing as nature does
checks and balances play out every year
160's are the exception to the rule and there is always exceptions to the rule, 130" is about avg for a 5.5-7.5 mature whitetail buck
Bottom line, soil is a big factor along side with age, I'll take a great soil area over a mature buck area all day long, just think of Iowa or WI, Buffalo Co that is.
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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: Southwood7]
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02/07/12 10:01 PM
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cartervj
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buck limits play a huge role up there
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Re: 64 bucks scoring better than 160"
[Re: gobbler]
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02/07/12 10:06 PM
02/07/12 10:06 PM
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reasonable doe killing limits, and antler restriction in the form of beam length and spread requirements. I would love to see Alabama move in this direction, what do yall think?
I would oppose any doe limits and any form of government telling me what size "trophy" I can kill. Anyone is free to enforce these limits on THEIR own property at any time in AL.  But, like BhamFred's tag line says "you'd be surprised at how hard simple is on some folks......" pretty much sums it up.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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