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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Joe4majors]
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08/05/19 08:46 AM
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Bigbamaboy
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While we all agree that persons with true " mental illness" should not have access to guns - I have concerns about this same argument. Who gets to decide what constitutes "mental illness" ? If I gave you anti-depressants in the past after some traumatic events occurred in your life - does that preclude you ever owning a gun ? Deciding what constitutes mental illness and who gets to decide who is mentally ill is a very slippery slope ! Could also result in people not taking their meds so they can keep their guns. Or not getting the help they need for the same reason. Or ppl who are falsely diagnosed to fit an agenda, or folks who are just going through a rough patch and just need a little help and counseling. All of the sudden they are a danger for no real reason. Very slippery slope.
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: timbercruiser]
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08/05/19 09:00 AM
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CrappieMan
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. Agreed 100%
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: pcoladoc]
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08/05/19 09:01 AM
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While we all agree that persons with true " mental illness" should not have access to guns - I have concerns about this same argument. Who gets to decide what constitutes "mental illness" ? If I gave you anti-depressants in the past after some traumatic events occurred in your life - does that preclude you ever owning a gun ? Deciding what constitutes mental illness and who gets to decide who is mentally ill is a very slippery slope ! Could also result in people not taking their meds so they can keep their guns. Or not getting the help they need for the same reason. You are exactly right. Military guys are already afraid to be diagnosed with PTSD or seek the help they may need due to fear of losing their right to have guns ! That's absolutely correct. All vets know that we better not answer those questions truthfully.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: pcoladoc]
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08/05/19 09:32 AM
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AU338MAG
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While we all agree that persons with true " mental illness" should not have access to guns - I have concerns about this same argument. Who gets to decide what constitutes "mental illness" ? If I gave you anti-depressants in the past after some traumatic events occurred in your life - does that preclude you ever owning a gun ? Deciding what constitutes mental illness and who gets to decide who is mentally ill is a very slippery slope ! Agree 100% The mental health 'experts' who are the deciders are more often than not the same ones who want to outlaw guns. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SLOPE!!
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: CrappieMan]
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08/05/19 09:40 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. Agreed 100% ignorance at 100%.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: AU338MAG]
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08/05/19 09:42 AM
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While we all agree that persons with true " mental illness" should not have access to guns - I have concerns about this same argument. Who gets to decide what constitutes "mental illness" ? If I gave you anti-depressants in the past after some traumatic events occurred in your life - does that preclude you ever owning a gun ? Deciding what constitutes mental illness and who gets to decide who is mentally ill is a very slippery slope ! Agree 100% The mental health 'experts' who are the deciders are more often than not the same ones who want to outlaw guns. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SLOPE!! How many times do we hear the left yelling that Trump has a mental disorder and so must his followers?
Last edited by toothdoc; 08/05/19 09:44 AM.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: toothdoc]
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08/05/19 10:02 AM
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Agreed 100%. The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting, or even personal defense against an individual. It's entirely their to assure you can defend all of the other enumerated rights.
This....The Second Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. It has nothing to do with muskets, 100 round drums, or bump stocks. It is simply there for every citizen of this country to defend their right to liberty from tyranny...by any damn means necessary. If the government or the sheriff's department can roll up to my house in a tank, then I should be able to meet them in the yard with a Bradley M2 of my own.
Yeah, well, I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas: sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Southwood7]
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08/05/19 10:06 AM
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perchjerker
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Muskets were the weapons of war when it was written. So yes it allows so called weapons of war!
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: AU338MAG]
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08/05/19 10:07 AM
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M48scout
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While we all agree that persons with true " mental illness" should not have access to guns - I have concerns about this same argument. Who gets to decide what constitutes "mental illness" ? If I gave you anti-depressants in the past after some traumatic events occurred in your life - does that preclude you ever owning a gun ? Deciding what constitutes mental illness and who gets to decide who is mentally ill is a very slippery slope ! Agree 100% The mental health 'experts' who are the deciders are more often than not the same ones who want to outlaw guns. THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SLOPE!! I can tell you where all of this is eventually going to head. It may be years and years away, but it’s coming. Instead of burden of proof as to mental condition being on an external entity proving one is unfit to own a firearm, it’s going to FLIP and the burden of proof is going to end up in the lap of the prospective gun owner for them to prove they are in fact mentally fit to own one. And the jury/associated criteria will be whatever is in vogue at the time.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Southwood7]
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08/05/19 10:18 AM
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I think Trump Derangement Syndrom should preclude and liberals from owning guns..or their bodyguards from carrying guns.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: timbercruiser]
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08/05/19 10:31 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. so you're ok with "common sense" gun control? What other constitutional rights are you in favor of giving up?
For without victory, there is no survival
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Stob]
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08/05/19 10:38 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. Agreed 100% ignorance at 100%. Not ignorance so much as logic. Take that premise that the second was created so that a citizenry can stand up to a tyrannical government to it's logical conclusion for a moment. I won't argue that it was the reason for the second,which I believe it was. With today's armament however,does anyone think citizens would be suddenly weakened in their attempt to resist if 100 round mags were banned? If we take that thought of resistance to tyranny as a basis ,then citizens definitely need more powerful weapons like tanks and fighter jets,at the least we need gas and explosive hand grenades. Now does anyone here want one of these mass shooter nuts to get his hands on that kind of weaponry? I wouldn't think so. Is then the reason not to ban certain things about resisting or not resisting tyranny, or more about the fear of someday not being able to resist tyranny?
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: leroycnbucks]
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08/05/19 10:45 AM
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You don't "NEED" military style weapons. But when a government goes tyrannical that has the weapons that they told us we don't "NEED" as civilians you can bet yourass you will "NEED" them then. Like others have said it's a slippery slope when the government decides what you can and can't have to defend yourself against all enemies foreign and domestic. The government would just shoot you from a drone, or drop a bomb on your house. No way a citizen can defend themselves from the government, unless the military is in the civilians side
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Stob]
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08/05/19 10:50 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. Agreed 100% ignorance at 100%. Just common sense. I spent 22 years in the army and can see no reason for 100 round drum In society.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Stob]
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08/05/19 10:56 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. Agreed 100% ignorance at 100%. Ignorance is curable. This is pure stupidly.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: CrappieMan]
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08/05/19 10:59 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. Agreed 100% ignorance at 100%. Just common sense. I spent 22 years in the army and can see no reason for 100 round drum In society. Then you of all people should understand that there is little tactical difference in a 100rd drum mag and 3 or 4 standard 30rd mags. With even the tiniest bit of practice, you can swap mags in less than 2 seconds. Magazine capacity debates are asinine.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Ben2]
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08/05/19 11:01 AM
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toothdoc
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You don't "NEED" military style weapons. But when a government goes tyrannical that has the weapons that they told us we don't "NEED" as civilians you can bet yourass you will "NEED" them then. Like others have said it's a slippery slope when the government decides what you can and can't have to defend yourself against all enemies foreign and domestic. The government would just shoot you from a drone, or drop a bomb on your house. No way a citizen can defend themselves from the government, unless the military is in the civilians side Ask the British how that thought process worked out for them. Not a citizen, but a majority of the citizenry armed and the government would stand no chance.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: burbank]
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08/05/19 11:04 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. I totally agree. I dont think yall understand why our forefathers included the 2nd amendment then They have 100 round muskets? Nope and neither did the government at the time either. Think long and hard about that. If they ban a 100 round mag, the 30 will go right behind it, then the 10's and then the semi-automatic weapon itself. I agree with Gomer, I'd much rather have 4 30's than a single hundred. Try clearing it and getting it back running if that 100 develops feed problems. With the 30s you just toss it and slam a fresh one in.
Last edited by abolt300; 08/05/19 11:16 AM.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: Southwood7]
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08/05/19 11:04 AM
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Just common sense. I spent 22 years in the army and can see no reason for 100 round drum In society.
Then you of all people should understand that there is little tactical difference in a 100rd drum mag and 3 or 4 standard 30rd mags. With even the tiniest bit of practice, you can swap mags in less than 2 seconds. Magazine capacity debates are asinine. You can't fix stupid, Gomer. And you can't convert a Lilly livered liberal coward.
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Re: Conner betts weapon ( Dayton OH shooter)
[Re: CrappieMan]
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08/05/19 11:11 AM
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I might piss some of ya'll off, but I don't see any reason a civilian would have a need for that. Agreed 100% ignorance at 100%. Just common sense. I spent 22 years in the army and can see no reason for 100 round drum In society. so what magazine capacity is common sense?
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