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New Baiting Bill from the Senate
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02/22/12 04:29 PM
02/22/12 04:29 PM
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Skinny
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http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/...S=SB346-int.pdf1 SB346 2 136778-3 3 By Senators Whatley, Scofield, Reed and Williams 4 RFD: Agriculture, Conservation, and Forestry 5 First Read: 21-FEB-12 Page 0 1 136778-3:n:02/21/2012:FC/tj LRS2012-1026R2 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 SYNOPSIS: Under existing law, a landowner may lawfully 9 provide supplemental feed for birds and animals on 10 his or her private land. Also, existing law 11 prohibits whitetail deer from being hunted over 12 bait. 13 This bill would allow whitetail deer to be 14 hunted on private land within a certain area in 15 relation to supplemental feeding. 16 17 A BILL 18 TO BE ENTITLED 19 AN ACT 20 21 Relating to hunting; to amend Section 9-11-244 of 22 the Code of Alabama 1975, to allow whitetail deer to be hunted 23 on private land under certain conditions within an area in 24 relation to supplemental feeding. 25 BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA: 26 Section 1. The Legislature, in enacting this act, 27 finds the following: Page 1 1 (1) The bird and animal population of this state 2 benefit greatly as a result of supplemental feeding 3 particularly during winter months. 4 (2) The current law has caused many landowners to 5 discontinue supplemental feeding during deer season to avoid 6 an inadvertent violation of the law and a resulting citation. 7 (3) The purpose of this act is to clarify the area 8 in which supplemental feeding may take place through the use 9 of a mechanical, gravity, or trough feeder in relation to any 10 hunter on the land. 11 Section 2. This act shall be known as the Hunter 12 Protection Act. 13 Section 3. Section 9-11-244 of the Code of Alabama 14 1975, is amended to read as follows: 15 "§9-11-244. 16 "(a) Except as otherwise provided for whitetail deer 17 in subsection (b), no No person at any time shall take, catch, 18 kill, or attempt to take, catch, or kill any bird or animal 19 protected by law or regulation of the State of Alabama by 20 means, aid, or use, directly or indirectly, of any bait such 21 as shelled, shucked, or unshucked corn or of wheat or other 22 grain, salt, or any other feed whatsoever that has been so 23 deposited, placed, distributed, or scattered as to constitute 24 for such birds or animals a lure, attraction, or enticement 25 to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are 26 attempting to kill or take them; provided, that such birds or 27 animals may be taken under properly shocked corn and standing Page 2 1 crops of corn, wheat, or other grain or feed and grains 2 scattered solely as a result of normal agricultural harvesting 3 and provided further, migratory birds may be hunted under the 4 most recent provisions established by the U.S. Fish and 5 Wildlife Service or regulations promulgated by the 6 Commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Natural 7 Resources within the limits of the federal regulations. 8 "(b)(1) On private lands, whitetail deer may be 9 hunted more than 100 yards from a supplemental feeder provided 10 the feeder is outside of the line of sight of the hunter. For 11 purposes of this subsection, "outside of the line of sight" 12 means "hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally 13 occurring terrain features." 14 "(2) This subsection shall not apply on public 15 lands." 16 Section 4. This act shall become effective on the 17 first day of the third month following its passage and 18 approval by the Governor, or its otherwise becoming law.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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02/22/12 05:05 PM
02/22/12 05:05 PM
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Frankie
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as i said in the other post .
all this does is define ,,, AREA !!!!!!
49'er and others been bitching about them doing this ,,,,, for how long ???
Last edited by Frankie; 02/22/12 05:05 PM.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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02/22/12 05:14 PM
02/22/12 05:14 PM
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Frankie
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so y'all don't get the wrong idea , i bitched about it too lol
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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02/22/12 05:58 PM
02/22/12 05:58 PM
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Senator Scofield told me this one was coming when I talked with him about the Democratic sponsored bill. Their main focus on this bill is as Frankie said, to actually define the area where feeding can be done legally during the season.
This one will pass.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: FurFlyin]
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02/22/12 06:09 PM
02/22/12 06:09 PM
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gobbler
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Senator Scofield told me this one was coming when I talked with him about the Democratic sponsored bill. Their main focus on this bill is as Frankie said, to actually define the area where feeding can be done legally during the season.
This one will pass.
Not without a lot of opposition! This is a MAJOR change that allows baiting deer with corn and hunting over it. No provisions for coyotes, hogs, quail, turkeys, whatever.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: gobbler]
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02/22/12 06:25 PM
02/22/12 06:25 PM
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FurFlyin
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Senator Scofield told me this one was coming when I talked with him about the Democratic sponsored bill. Their main focus on this bill is as Frankie said, to actually define the area where feeding can be done legally during the season.
This one will pass.
Not without a lot of opposition! This is a MAJOR change that allows baiting deer with corn and hunting over it. No provisions for coyotes, hogs, quail, turkeys, whatever. I voiced my opposition when we talked about it. He left it with, "well, the current regulation as it's written is vague and needs work." It's a Republican controlled Senate. It will pass unless folks get on the phone and voice their opinion. My Senator is a sponsor of the bill, so I figure he's gonna vote Yes. LOL I've already voiced my opinions to directly to him. Call yours, soon!
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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02/22/12 06:51 PM
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Big Jack
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IMO, that helps the bill.
"Its a damn weak minded person who can only think of one way to spell a work." Andrew Jackson
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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02/22/12 07:32 PM
02/22/12 07:32 PM
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hunterbuck
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Still ridiculous. Really, what's the point of all the "over 100 yards away" and "out of the line of sight"? It's just going to allow for some "creative" placement. At least with the other bill, it limited the number of feeders that would be placed in the woods with the "within 100 yards of a 1 acre planted plot" clause.
If this one passes, get ready for your club to go through some turmoil.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: burbank]
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02/22/12 08:08 PM
02/22/12 08:08 PM
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If by hunting over it you mean 100 yards away...then you are correct. This is MUCH better than the other bill. I agree it is bette, but if you are going to legalize baiting then just legalize it, not hide behind a 100 yd rule. So.......If a hunter is 120 yards away and has one of those fish feeders that throws the corn in a straight line, and has it attached to the backside of a 4 foot diameter oak tree, so it's not visible, is this legal? Opinions?? One of the first questions that this law will NOT address, adding to the confusion of the average AL hunter. This is the kind of crap we will get if we let the legislature make game laws.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: jmj120]
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02/22/12 08:17 PM
02/22/12 08:17 PM
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY?????
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/22/12 08:20 PM
02/22/12 08:20 PM
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FurFlyin
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY????? They're all that matter. A Doe just eats food. All them hussies need to be killed! I learned that on Deer TV. LOL
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: FurFlyin]
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02/22/12 08:27 PM
02/22/12 08:27 PM
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY????? They're all that matter. A Doe just eats food. All them hussies need to be killed! I learned that on Deer TV. LOL Hey that is where I learned it also.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/22/12 08:39 PM
02/22/12 08:39 PM
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jmj120
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If they enforce the limit of three bucks Why is EVERY question around Laws, Rules, Regulations, Ethics, Etc.... about BUCKS ONLY????? I didn't mean slaughter the does. Maybe there should be a doe limit. I don't know. I know there are not as many deer, does or bucks in areas that I have hunted since the 80's. I don't know if that's a product of less soy beans/farming or doe killing. I think you can kill as many does on a food plot as you can at a feeder, probably more, so I don't really understand your point. I'm just trying to figure out what they are trying to accomplish with this bill??
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/22/12 08:53 PM
02/22/12 08:53 PM
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jmj120
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But, why is your opinion on BUCKS different?
Are they more susceptible to being killed at a feeder? I don't understand?? My opinion on bucks? The law says you can kill three. So kill three at a feeder or three from a food plot. What does it matter??
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: gobbler]
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02/22/12 09:42 PM
02/22/12 09:42 PM
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Frankie
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If by hunting over it you mean 100 yards away...then you are correct. This is MUCH better than the other bill. I agree it is bette, but if you are going to legalize baiting then just legalize it, not hide behind a 100 yd rule. So.......If a hunter is 120 yards away and has one of those fish feeders that throws the corn in a straight line, and has it attached to the backside of a 4 foot diameter oak tree, so it's not visible, is this legal? Opinions?? One of the first questions that this law will NOT address, adding to the confusion of the average AL hunter. This is the kind of crap we will get if we let the legislature make game laws. but it does answer a question . what is ,,,,AREA. hell its pretty simple . i don't see what problems there could be ?
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