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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: Irishguy] #2932025
10/21/19 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Irishguy
CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
Plants consume CO2.
Vegetarians eat plants.
We should do something about vegetarians.
This guy gets it. grin


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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: NSDQ160] #2932028
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All you guys that remember a big snow every year when you was a kid just have bad memories. Looks like it has only snowed 4" or more about 12 times since 1900 in Birmingham.


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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: mike35549] #2932034
10/21/19 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mike35549
All you guys that remember a big snow every year when you was a kid just have bad memories. Looks like it has only snowed 4" or more about 12 times since 1900 in Birmingham.
They were smaller then, so the snow looked deeper!


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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: jwalker77] #2932047
10/21/19 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by bama7x57
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Explain to me why CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. Also explain how the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has almost doubled within the past 150 years and that change is natural and not “man-made.” Go.



What process did they use 150 years ago to check the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?

Almost sounds like somebody made that up dont it. But really weve been measuring co2 for 60 years so well double that and add 30more years so itll sound more convincing. The scientists would be much more convincing if they werent a bunch of liars.


Try learning science and reading science papers and not rely on “science” from politicians.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: Joe4majors] #2932061
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by Remington270
The part that nobody mentions is that it literally makes no difference if "climate change" is real, and if humans are causing it. No one will change anything they do. It amazes me we even argue about it. I don't see anyone skipping their airline flight to New York, or staying at home instead of driving to the beach because they feel so bad about burning fossil fuels.


Yep. You nailed it. We'll point fingers at each other while coastal cities eventually flood.


Do you believe that melting Ice increases the volume of water??

Do we really have to point out and debate the earths ever changing climate? Trying to stop the earths climate from changing may be more catastrophic than futile. You’d need two identical universes to compare results.

Let’s rid the world of litter before we attempt to lower the earths temp.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: NSDQ160] #2932065
10/21/19 03:36 PM
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Lets figure out how to feed everyone.


Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Re: Warmer Winters [Re: bloodtrail] #2932068
10/21/19 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bloodtrail
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by Remington270
The part that nobody mentions is that it literally makes no difference if "climate change" is real, and if humans are causing it. No one will change anything they do. It amazes me we even argue about it. I don't see anyone skipping their airline flight to New York, or staying at home instead of driving to the beach because they feel so bad about burning fossil fuels.


Yep. You nailed it. We'll point fingers at each other while coastal cities eventually flood.


Do you believe that melting Ice increases the volume of water??


It does when the ice is above sea level.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: NSDQ160] #2932071
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I was a kid in the 80s too and I remember snow about as often as I do now. Also remember summers so hot it was hard to breath the minute you open the front door. dont really notice much change

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: Joe4majors] #2932074
10/21/19 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by bama7x57
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Explain to me why CO2 is not a greenhouse gas. Also explain how the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has almost doubled within the past 150 years and that change is natural and not “man-made.” Go.



What process did they use 150 years ago to check the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?

Almost sounds like somebody made that up dont it. But really weve been measuring co2 for 60 years so well double that and add 30more years so itll sound more convincing. The scientists would be much more convincing if they werent a bunch of liars.


Try learning science and reading science papers and not rely on “science” from politicians.


You just said co2 had doubled in 150 years then turned right around and said they had only been studying it for 60yrs. Is that not a lie? I made that statement based 100% on what you have said in this thread. But the same thing happens every day. And I dont value anything any politician says in the least, I dont even know where you came up with that. Scientific "facts" constantly change depending on the scientist who is rattling them off at the time.

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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: Joe4majors] #2932088
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by bloodtrail
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by Remington270
The part that nobody mentions is that it literally makes no difference if "climate change" is real, and if humans are causing it. No one will change anything they do. It amazes me we even argue about it. I don't see anyone skipping their airline flight to New York, or staying at home instead of driving to the beach because they feel so bad about burning fossil fuels.


Yep. You nailed it. We'll point fingers at each other while coastal cities eventually flood.


Do you believe that melting Ice increases the volume of water??


It does when the ice is above sea level.




I googled it, Internet says the ocean could rise up to 6cm if every iceberg were to melt. https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...ge-the-water-level-in-a-container#110649

I’d guess the extra heat would also cause extra evaporation. But I don’t fret things I can’t control.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: NSDQ160] #2932121
10/21/19 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jwalker77


You just said co2 had doubled in 150 years then turned right around and said they had only been studying it for 60yrs. Is that not a lie? I made that statement based 100% on what you have said in this thread. But the same thing happens every day. And I dont value anything any politician says in the least, I dont even know where you came up with that. Scientific "facts" constantly change depending on the scientist who is rattling them off at the time.


We have been DIRECTLY measuring it from the atmosphere for the past 60 years. We can measure samples of the atmosphere (gas bubbles) preserved in ice going back thousands of years. We MEASURE the CO2 concentration of air trapped for 100 years, 500 years, etc. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend? Based on THOSE measurements, CO2 has almost doubled since the industrial revolution started roughly 150 years ago. This is a restatement of what I have already said. You’re lack of reading comprehension doesn’t make me a liar.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: Joe4majors] #2932133
10/21/19 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by jwalker77


You just said co2 had doubled in 150 years then turned right around and said they had only been studying it for 60yrs. Is that not a lie? I made that statement based 100% on what you have said in this thread. But the same thing happens every day. And I dont value anything any politician says in the least, I dont even know where you came up with that. Scientific "facts" constantly change depending on the scientist who is rattling them off at the time.


We have been DIRECTLY measuring it from the atmosphere for the past 60 years. We can measure samples of the atmosphere (gas bubbles) preserved in ice going back thousands of years. We MEASURE the CO2 concentration of air trapped for 100 years, 500 years, etc. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend? Based on THOSE measurements, CO2 has almost doubled since the industrial revolution started roughly 150 years ago. This is a restatement of what I have already said. You’re lack of reading comprehension doesn’t make me a liar.

I comprehend just fine that you are passing theory off as fact and that is my point exactly. You are now assuming you can say for certain exactly when some ice deep in the ground formed but thats not really possible. Just somebodys theory and if you ask 10 different men or the company or agency they represent, you will get ten different answers. Were just talking about two different things. Im talking about facts or the lack thereof and you are talking about theories or the abundance thereof.

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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: jwalker77] #2932187
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by jwalker77


You just said co2 had doubled in 150 years then turned right around and said they had only been studying it for 60yrs. Is that not a lie? I made that statement based 100% on what you have said in this thread. But the same thing happens every day. And I dont value anything any politician says in the least, I dont even know where you came up with that. Scientific "facts" constantly change depending on the scientist who is rattling them off at the time.


We have been DIRECTLY measuring it from the atmosphere for the past 60 years. We can measure samples of the atmosphere (gas bubbles) preserved in ice going back thousands of years. We MEASURE the CO2 concentration of air trapped for 100 years, 500 years, etc. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend? Based on THOSE measurements, CO2 has almost doubled since the industrial revolution started roughly 150 years ago. This is a restatement of what I have already said. You’re lack of reading comprehension doesn’t make me a liar.

I comprehend just fine that you are passing theory off as fact and that is my point exactly. You are now assuming you can say for certain exactly when some ice deep in the ground formed but thats not really possible. Just somebodys theory and if you ask 10 different men or the company or agency they represent, you will get ten different answers. Were just talking about two different things. Im talking about facts or the lack thereof and you are talking about theories or the abundance thereof.


Like I said, go learn science first and then open your mouth.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: NSDQ160] #2932197
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Holy hell. This thread is proof of why you can't believe anything on the interwebs, ever.

I used to use our compendium of common knowledge (internet) to learn about stuff.

About 3 years ago I realized it was all a giant chit show and nothing anywhere was true.

Carry on


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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: Joe4majors] #2932371
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by jwalker77


You just said co2 had doubled in 150 years then turned right around and said they had only been studying it for 60yrs. Is that not a lie? I made that statement based 100% on what you have said in this thread. But the same thing happens every day. And I dont value anything any politician says in the least, I dont even know where you came up with that. Scientific "facts" constantly change depending on the scientist who is rattling them off at the time.


We have been DIRECTLY measuring it from the atmosphere for the past 60 years. We can measure samples of the atmosphere (gas bubbles) preserved in ice going back thousands of years. We MEASURE the CO2 concentration of air trapped for 100 years, 500 years, etc. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend? Based on THOSE measurements, CO2 has almost doubled since the industrial revolution started roughly 150 years ago. This is a restatement of what I have already said. You’re lack of reading comprehension doesn’t make me a liar.

I comprehend just fine that you are passing theory off as fact and that is my point exactly. You are now assuming you can say for certain exactly when some ice deep in the ground formed but thats not really possible. Just somebodys theory and if you ask 10 different men or the company or agency they represent, you will get ten different answers. Were just talking about two different things. Im talking about facts or the lack thereof and you are talking about theories or the abundance thereof.


Like I said, go learn science first and then open your mouth.


Joe, I just dont agree with alot of your theories. That does not make me ignorant or unlearned. You dont even know me so surely you couldnt begin to tell me what ive studied, but yet you do and that goes right along with this pattern of passing your opinion off as fact.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: NSDQ160] #2932381
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Bring on the Ice Age!!!! WTH caused that? Exactly. And many of the heat records recently were broken from the early 1900's. shucks happens in cycles.


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Re: Warmer Winters [Re: TickaTicka] #2932403
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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Holy hell. This thread is proof of why you can't believe anything on the interwebs, ever.

I used to use our compendium of common knowledge (internet) to learn about stuff.

About 3 years ago I realized it was all a giant chit show and nothing anywhere was true.

Carry on


Agreed. For one, never ever check the internet to find out about an ailment you are experiencing. The internet will have you convinced you won't live to see the next day. My wife is the worst and always manages to freak herself out by checking symptoms online.

Re: Warmer Winters [Re: NSDQ160] #2932456
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Joe, I just dont agree with alot of your theories. That does not make me ignorant or unlearned. You dont even know me so surely you couldnt begin to tell me what ive studied, but yet you do and that goes right along with this pattern of passing your opinion off as fact.


You can disagree all you want, but that doesn't mean that [fill in the blank] is wrong. Bring something to the table other than "scientists are making up stuff, my 6th grade science teacher told me _____, there is not 100% perfect consensus on _______, I know nothing about it therefore it's wrong" and the like and I'll listen to you all day long. Taking quantitative measurements on something is not "opinion." You're using the word "theory" as if you're talking about the existence of Nessie. A theory for actual scientists is the explanation of natural phenomenon based on the best observations, measurements, etc. that we can make. Theories are refined as we get better observations, measurements, etc. CO2 dramatically increasing is not an opinion or theory, it's a observation.

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I just turned 58 on Saturday. I remember it snowed at Eva one winter so deep my Dad had to dig a path out to feed our Black Angus cows. And my Mom made pictures of it. I remember the Tenn River froze over in some spots people drove trucks out on it. We moved to Decatur and we would be out from school 3 or 4 times a year from snow. I remember summers where it was over a hundred also as we only had window units for cooling. I think it is going back the other way. Hope the quail come back as I remember my dad and friends killing 30 birds on a Saturday hunt.

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