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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Hoss606]
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03/03/12 03:31 PM
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Maybe my view point is this way because I started deer hunting over bait and it is normal to me. That's exactly it. Conversely many here that oppose it believe it's wrong for no other reason than the fact they have just always been told it's wrong. I have only seen small bucks and does eating bait during daylight hours in those 10 years In the past 15 years of supplemental feeding on our land and keeping game cameras out, out of thousands of pictures I have only a handful of photos of a shooter buck at a feeder in daylight. In order to make it to a mature age on even moderately hunted land in Alabama you can bet a buck has become a pretty reclusive animal. And he isn't going to lose his mind and forget the habits that got him to that age just because someone pours out a sack of corn. I think a lot of people are basing their opinions on the effects of corn on big bucks on what they see on TV hunting shows filmed in pens with semi-domesticated deer. Those shows and the behavior of the deer on them bear little resemblance to the world most of us hunt in. Great Post Hoss!
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Todd1700]
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03/03/12 07:05 PM
03/03/12 07:05 PM
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Maybe my view point is this way because I started deer hunting over bait and it is normal to me. That's exactly it. Conversely many here that oppose it believe it's wrong for no other reason than the fact they have just always been told it's wrong. I have only seen small bucks and does eating bait during daylight hours in those 10 years In the past 15 years of supplemental feeding on our land and keeping game cameras out, out of thousands of pictures I have only a handful of photos of a shooter buck at a feeder in daylight. In order to make it to a mature age on even moderately hunted land in Alabama you can bet a buck has become a pretty reclusive animal. And he isn't going to lose his mind and forget the habits that got him to that age just because someone pours out a sack of corn. I think a lot of people are basing their opinions on the effects of corn on big bucks on what they see on TV hunting shows filmed in pens with semi-domesticated deer. Those shows and the behavior of the deer on them bear little resemblance to the world most of us hunt in. Great Post Hoss! Should baiting be allowed on public land?
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: DosEquis_Guy]
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03/04/12 09:50 AM
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I do have several concerns with this but first a question..What about the "illegal" mineral blocks, how will they be affected?? I'm not sure if someone mentioned this, but "here piggy, piggy, piggy"...ya think your property may have a pig problem now, just wait till you start slinging corn all over the place... and that close to your food plots not gonna be pretty...and will I need a special permit to shoot the pigs over or around the corn like now?? I think a lot of clubs will probably stop summer planting just to be able to afford the corn just to keep up with the neighbors, and that can't be good for the wildlife population in general...BUT, i think the corn wouldn't really be about shooting a rack buck coming to the feeder, it would be more about keeping the doe population on your property.. Yep, I think keeping corn or any feed /bait out all season, would be like having a primary scrape that never gets cold. That's what will get the big bucks killed, not the food but the does at the food. IMHO BTW, welcome.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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03/04/12 09:26 PM
03/04/12 09:26 PM
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Jefferson
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Todd1700, where did you go?
Asked a simple question and you seemed to have disappeared.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: timbercruiser]
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03/05/12 07:33 AM
03/05/12 07:33 AM
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Warrior River Country
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If the bills pass or are defeated, when will the results be known? The bills have to work their way thru the Legislature. There will be a committee meeting in the Senate this week to discuss some of the bills. 03/07/2012 AC&F Senate RM727 2:30PM - Trespass, no duty to certain persons who trespass, Sec 6-5-345 added - (Public Hearing) Conservation and Natural Resources Department, whitetail deer, may be hunted over bait under certain conditions, Sec. 9-11-244 am'd. - (Public Hearing) Conservation and Natural Resources Department, whitetail deer, hunting season extended The spincast feeder bill HB322 in the House is in a committe that has not announced a meeting lately. It does not have a companion bill in the Senate.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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03/05/12 07:40 AM
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Whenever a bill has a public hearing it has a reduced chance of passing, or it will likely be amended. Meaning that the bill will go from being a very simple bill to a highly complicated one.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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03/09/12 07:26 AM
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Here is the difference.
No corn - A deer wants to feed, it determines a location and heads to it. Be it food plot, acorns, honeysuckle, etc....
Corn - A deer wants to feed, it determines a location and heads to it. Be it a food plot, acorns, honeysuckle, corn, etc....
Difference - It simply costs more money. So, on top of gas, lease price, bullets, hunting gear, etc...now add another expense of buying bait.
Did you really accomplish anything? Of course, other than making someone else some money?
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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04/15/12 09:09 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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What's the latest on this bill? There only are about 10 days left in the regular session.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: D Wilborn]
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04/17/12 04:50 PM
04/17/12 04:50 PM
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Jefferson
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The bill was pretty simple. It is not a bill to make it legal to hunt over bait. It clarifies what constitutes baiting. Feed and/or mineral have to be at least 100 yards away and can not be in sight of where you are hunting. The 100 yard rule is easy to understand for most. The in line of sight has people confused. If you can shoot an animal at any distance when it puts it's head down to eat something you put out, it would be considered baiting and would be illegal. I don't know about most of you guys, but I'm about fed up with the government telling me what I can and can't do on my private property. Most people already manage their properties. As for the Senate, I wish they would spend more time trying to help people who have lost their homes and jobs. I could go on and on about how hypocritical most of the opponents of this bill are, but I've already spent too much time venting my opinion. The guys that I know, that are for this bill, are more about the quality of deer they manage, not how many they can kill. Call your local Senators and ask them to vote for more government or for less government. More bills, more rules = more government. Baiting/feeding deer is already legal.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: D Wilborn]
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04/17/12 06:34 PM
04/17/12 06:34 PM
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If you can shoot an animal at any distance when it puts it's head down to eat something you put out, it would be considered baiting and would be illegal. I don't know about most of you guys, but I'm about fed up with the government telling me what I can and can't do on my private property. Then why are you against simple baiting? Yall should just introduce a bill that allows "shoot(ing) an animal at any distance when it puts it's head down to eat something you put out" 
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: gobbler]
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04/23/12 09:28 PM
04/23/12 09:28 PM
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Warrior River Country
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One reason I don't like the bill is the added confusion it causes. The changes only affect deer. It's easy for people to misunderstand that. Any other animal is still hunted under the same old confusing combination of law/rule/depredation trapping/baiting/night hunting permitthat currently exists.The changes only affect hunting deer near feeders. There are no provisions for allowing hunting near mineral blocks, Trophy Rocks , salt, pure white salt or any other bait that is not in a supplemental feeder. And the area is still not defined for those other hunting siutations that don't involve a feeder. Here's what the language of the changes looks like: "§9-11-244.
16 "(a) Except as otherwise provided for whitetail deer
17 in subsection (b), no ...
"(b)(1) On private lands, whitetail deer may be
9 hunted more than 100 yards from a supplemental feeder provided
10 the feeder is outside of the line of sight of the hunter. For
11 purposes of this subsection, "outside of the line of sight"
12 means "hidden from view by natural vegetation or naturally
13 occurring terrain features."
14 "(2) This subsection shall not apply on public
15 lands." The Senate and House committees both voted in favor of their respective companion bills and put them on the calendars for a vote of the full Senate and House.
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Skinny]
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04/25/12 09:55 AM
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I'm not against any type of baiting. I'm against the government telling what I can and can't do on my property. This bill would eventually lead to legal baiting, which is okay with me. If someone doesn't want to kill an animal over bait, kill a doe, kill a small buck, etc., then don't. But don't tell others not to, just because you don't think it's right. I believe that most hunters are smart enough to take care of their own hunting lands. It's time to get the government out of so much of our lives. Take care of our borders, our roads, and OUR needy should be the focus of the government. Local government should take care of law enforcement. The government is run by lawyers, that is why there are so many laws!!!
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: D Wilborn]
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04/25/12 09:06 PM
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Jefferson
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I'm not against any type of baiting. I'm against the government telling what I can and can't do on my property. This bill would eventually lead to legal baiting, which is okay with me. If someone doesn't want to kill an animal over bait, kill a doe, kill a small buck, etc., then don't. But don't tell others not to, just because you don't think it's right. I believe that most hunters are smart enough to take care of their own hunting lands. It's time to get the government out of so much of our lives. Take care of our borders, our roads, and OUR needy should be the focus of the government. Local government should take care of law enforcement. The government is run by lawyers, that is why there are so many laws!!! Hunting over bait is already legal in the State, you just have to figure out how to stay within the current rules. No new rules, regulations and laws. Issue solved.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: New Baiting Bill from the Senate
[Re: Fun4all]
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04/26/12 08:11 PM
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I'm not against any type of baiting. I'm against the government telling what I can and can't do on my property. This bill would eventually lead to legal baiting, which is okay with me. If someone doesn't want to kill an animal over bait, kill a doe, kill a small buck, etc., then don't. But don't tell others not to, just because you don't think it's right. I believe that most hunters are smart enough to take care of their own hunting lands. It's time to get the government out of so much of our lives. Take care of our borders, our roads, and OUR needy should be the focus of the government. Local government should take care of law enforcement. The government is run by lawyers, that is why there are so many laws!!! Hunting over bait is already legal in the State, you just have to figure out how to stay within the current rules. No new rules, regulations and laws. Issue solved. Please enlighten me on how baiting is legal?
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